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Old 08-16-2019, 10:54 PM
 
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Southern culture is the problem. The other factor he mentioned was culture. The Scotch Irish culture was vastly inferior to other white cultures. Unfortunately for Kentucky and West Virginia.

Some white cultures are better than other white cultures. It’s only in the last century that white cultures have begun to converge.
I wonder if the reason the Constitution initially only protected the voting rights of property owners is that they feared Scotch-Irish people voting for whoever promised to kill more Native Americans.

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Old 08-16-2019, 11:36 PM
Status: "Hey I thought this was the train to Margaritaville?" (set 28 days ago)
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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I wonder if the reason the Constitution initially only protected the voting rights of property owners is that tney feared Scotch-Irish people voting for whoever promised to kill more Native Americans.
I doubt it. The majority came between 1815-1899.

There were poor non land owning English in the colonies before then. My dads lineage in NC is one of them.
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:59 AM
 
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I doubt it. The majority came between 1815-1899.

There were poor non land owning English in the colonies before then. My dads lineage in NC is one of them.
Did they come over indentured? Or chased out? Or did they have a trade to ply?

Poor is one thing. The mass of the settlers of the Mountains were poor, illiterate and also lacking in trades. Their wealth would have been in subsistence farming, timber and eventually careful management of lands and resources, but "capitalism" stole that too.

It is interesting that London (the bosses, the 1%) sent their poor and debtors and destitute and others over here and THEN sent their corporations over to abuse them and steal their birthright. This is why race doesn't matter as much as class or connections. The same thing happened to Indians except most of them refused to stay and benefit the corporations (as miners, etc.). The same, or worse, happened to Black folks....land that they owned was systematically stolen over the centuries. Then the "British" pointed at them and said "see, they are poor...why don't they do something about it"...

I guess, to coin a phrase, Capitalism is when you run out of other peoples labor and resources....and leave them hanging...and then dump on them and ask why they aren't pulling themselves up by their bootstraps like you did...

My Italian side were poor as dirt and worked in the coal fields of PA.

I think it was only a slight luck of the draw (location) that allowed them to head into Reading and then Philly and change course when the coal jobs starting being lost. If they had been deep in the Mts of KY, there would have been nowhere nearby to head for more opportunities.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Did they come over indentured? Or chased out? Or did they have a trade to ply?

Poor is one thing. The mass of the settlers of the Mountains were poor, illiterate and also lacking in trades. Their wealth would have been in subsistence farming, timber and eventually careful management of lands and resources, but "capitalism" stole that too.

It is interesting that London (the bosses, the 1%) sent their poor and debtors and destitute and others over here and THEN sent their corporations over to abuse them and steal their birthright. This is why race doesn't matter as much as class or connections. The same thing happened to Indians except most of them refused to stay and benefit the corporations (as miners, etc.). The same, or worse, happened to Black folks....land that they owned was systematically stolen over the centuries. Then the "British" pointed at them and said "see, they are poor...why don't they do something about it"...
So you get it when Trump as well as Castro, said they are sending us their worst people. Same with Australia. At least I hope you are getting it.

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I guess, to coin a phrase, Capitalism is when you run out of other peoples labor and resources....and leave them hanging...and then dump on them and ask why they aren't pulling themselves up by their bootstraps like you did...
No that's Socialism. There are a few forms of Capitalism and the more you have free market capitalism and less crony capitalism the better off the country.

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My Italian side were poor as dirt and worked in the coal fields of PA.

I think it was only a slight luck of the draw (location) that allowed them to head into Reading and then Philly and change course when the coal jobs starting being lost. If they had been deep in the Mts of KY, there would have been nowhere nearby to head for more opportunities.
Available resources and opportunities were far greater in the northeast and then the west.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Sounds like McCarthyism. You are defining him not on his lifetime of actions...including decades in politics. You are not defining him on his millions of words spoken in public or legislation. You are saying "well, there is a missing ism and he was a club member"....

Sorry, not buying it. I'm no Bernie Bro but he is well inside the mainstream of US Politics - and, in fact, if you didn't put labels on his even you might agree with him on many policy items (for example, he was America first for many decades).....he's for decent pay, the middle class, fewer wars for oil and aggression, etc. etc.

You know...conservative things.
How he wants to accomplish his goals makes him anything but conservative. That's more proof of your inability to have a logical thought process. How one goes about solving the problem matters.

btw the things you listed, "decent pay, the middle class, fewer wars for oil and aggression," quite a few progressives as well as moderates are for that also. You just post things to post them. No facts to back it up, just silliness of "because someone said".
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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It's about education.
Then there is no excuse for you not knowing that a gallon of milk in Denmark cost $5, a happy meal cost $11, a gallon of gas is north of $6 and a pair of jeans cost $115.

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Old 08-17-2019, 08:23 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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The 'vast majority of Appalachians being poor Scots Irish' is not true. The average White Southern Appalachian has a mixed heritage both rich and poor, from all over Britain and also Palatinate German, Dutch, among others. Many had previously lived in NYC and Philadelphia Philadelphia before moving south. One of my ancestors was Dutch and founded Manhattan and other NYC boroughs.

The topography in E KY and WV other than E panhandle is very rugged. It lacks the broad level valleys between mountains for towns, farms and transportation. I think the people that ended up there with land grants in a region with far less economic potential than where they came from. The brief coal boom overpopulated region (more kids from huge families could stay) poverty has since been major problem.
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Old 08-17-2019, 12:50 PM
Status: "but it depends on what the definition of "is" is." (set 18 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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The Danish PM was not really arguing with Sanders, he was making sure the public understood that what Sanders calls "social democracy" is not what they would call "socialism."
For about the third time, and from YOUR link, Sanders does not use the term 'social democracy.' He uses the term 'democratic socialism.' These are two entirely different things. For a good tutorial, see Social Democratic America by Lane Kenworthy. The author is a proponent of social democracy, which is what they have in Denmark.

Once and for all, "DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM<>SOCIAL DEMOCRACY." The correct use of the terminology is in your own link! Those who can define the terms they use, literally don't know what they're talking about.
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Old 08-17-2019, 12:54 PM
Status: "but it depends on what the definition of "is" is." (set 18 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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I note nobody responded to this post, instead preferring to go on wild goose chases, so I post it again. I'd like to know in particular what OP's explanation for it is....


https://marginalrevolution.com/margi...han-danes.html



Danish Americans have a $23,000 higher per capita income than Danes in Denmark. Why?
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Because they are ship builders in Seattle?
Not many Danes in Seattle; mostly Norwegians and Swedes. Anybody else want to try? OP doesn't seem to want to touch the question with a sailboat mast. It blows his whole narrative.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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The 'vast majority of Appalachians being poor Scots Irish' is not true. The average White Southern Appalachian has a mixed heritage both rich and poor, from all over Britain and also Palatinate German, Dutch, among others. Many had previously lived in NYC and Philadelphia Philadelphia before moving south. One of my ancestors was Dutch and founded Manhattan and other NYC boroughs.

The topography in E KY and WV other than E panhandle is very rugged. It lacks the broad level valleys between mountains for towns, farms and transportation. I think the people that ended up there with land grants in a region with far less economic potential than where they came from. The brief coal boom overpopulated region (more kids from huge families could stay) poverty has since been major problem.
Lol, I live in Knoxville, TN, and I'm basically rich. I have no ties to the mountain folk.
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