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I actually find the pledge more offensive. Nothing like making tots swear loyalty to a government. It's garbage they're too young to even understand.
And left views like yours are part of what is wrong with our country now. Of course they do not understand but as years go by there is a time to ask the true meaning and have open conversation about the meaning. Our kids said prayers every night including the Lords Prayer and eventually they understood what the prayer was all about.
And left views like yours are part of what is wrong with our country now. Of course they do not understand but as years go by there is a time to ask the true meaning and have open conversation about the meaning. Our kids said prayers every night including the Lords Prayer and eventually they understood what the prayer was all about.
That is backward in my view. Making a kid recite an important sentiment without understanding is brainwashing. A PLEDGE? Unless they are pledging the willingness to use Pledge on the furniture right now, count me out.
That is backward in my view. Making a kid recite an important sentiment without understanding is brainwashing. A PLEDGE? Unless they are pledging the willingness to use Pledge on the furniture right now, count me out.
When I was in elementary school, they taught us to say the pledge as well as explained it. We had a worksheet that went through all the lines and found out what a republic is. If your school didn't explain it to you, I blame that on your school.
I'm relatively ambivalent over the pledge and feel it should be up to the schools themselves to decide.
When I was in elementary school, they taught us to say the pledge as well as explained it. We had a worksheet that went through all the lines and found out what a republic is. If your school didn't explain it to you, I blame that on your school.
I am 51 years old. The idea of pledging allegiance is a complex one. If you think it is not squashing critical thinking skills to give an elementary aged kid a worksheet and an explanation does the job of education on this topic, I am sorry you vote.
I suppose if you want to take it to the extreme, couldn't you say that teaching a first grader the topics of math, history, English, and writing skills is "indoctrination"?
I suppose if you want to take it to the extreme, couldn't you say that teaching a first grader the topics of math, history, English, and writing skills is "indoctrination"?
I suppose if you want to take it to the extreme, couldn't you say that teaching a first grader the topics of math, history, English, and writing skills is "indoctrination"?
You're confusing knowledge with belief. Schools should teach knowledge. Parents and churches should teach beliefs.
Even the Boy Scouts have an Oath (or Pledge). Do you consider them to be brainwashed as well?
The Boy Scouts is a voluntary non-government organization. Their club, their rules. They're also not an entity established with the sole purpose of educating the children.
The pledge is not brainwashing provided that schools actually thoroughly educate children beforehand on its contents *and* keep observance of it strictly voluntary (and ideally encouraging children to only recite it if they really think they fully understand it and swear to it).
Call me crazy, but I take pledges of any sort very seriously, and don't think they should be devalued into mindless bleary-eyed routine recital on autopilot.
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