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Old 08-22-2019, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Denmark is a tiny insignificant little country equivalent to a smaller US state...if they won't sell us Greenland, who cares about them?
Our other allies very well might. I'm sure they're seeing how Trump is treating Denmark, and may adjust their behavior towards us accordingly.
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Denmark, Canada -- hurls insults.....North Korea, Russia --- can't come out strongly against deadly leaders.'
The Danish leader was correct, it was an absurd proposal.
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Yeah, no. You seem to be assuming that the Queen would actually think about it, perhaps take the advice of observers and advisors, and then make a well-informed decision one way or the other, and that would be that. Sucks to be you, Canada and Australia; the Queen Elizabeth rules!

But actually, no, under constitutional norms involving two independent countries sharing a head-of-state, the Queen would simply rubber-stamp anything the PMs of Canada and Australia decided to do between themselves, and then go on about her day. Heck, she probably would know nothing about such a deal, until she saw it on a BBC broadcast or read about it off the Reuters wire in a British newspaper.

You're ascribing much more power to the Queen than she actually has, according to the constitutions of both Canada and Australia (and the UK, for that matter). I cannot speak for Australia, but in the case of Canada, her power is so severely curtailed, that she is effectively powerless. And if she tries to use what few emergency powers she has under our constitution, she will only do so once. Because we will dump her if she tries to do so, outside of constitutional norms. Those norms have been laid down by tradition and caselaw, and the Queen knows enough that she will not challenge them. As I have said before, "The Queen works for us, not the other way around."

In Canadian constitutional legal circles, we often say, "The Queen reigns, but does not rule." In other words, she has little to no effect on daily political life; she issues no laws that have not been passed by the House of Commons and the Senate, nor passes any edicts by fiat (i.e. an executive order), and she is content to let us live under our own laws and constitution, with our popularly-elected lawmakers making our decisions. However, Americans seem to think that the Queen has some kind of enormous ruling power, that all Commonwealth citizens must accede to that power, and that all Commonwealth countries must adhere to the Queen's whimsical and capricious demands. Do these Americans not know that all former colonies, who are now independent countries with seats at the UN, have a Constitution that essentially strips the Queen of any worthwhile power? Or that the Queen is such an experienced stateswoman that she has no whimsical or capricious demands?
Thanks for the information. I knew that after WWII the empire underwent some major changes, but I never delved into the details. I do know the monarchy is basically just a custom these days with the queen serving as a traditional figurehead more than actual ruler, but we separated from England over 200 years ago so not really something germane to our daily life in the US.

In my area of the west, folks on both sides of the border have speculated for years about Alberta and Saskatchewan joining the US as states as the people there and in the western US of Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas have more in common than we do with Ottawa or DC. But again, that's just an intellectual exercise. I don't see something like that ever happening.
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:07 AM
 
Location: North America
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I want it now daddy.
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Denmark is a tiny insignificant little country equivalent to a smaller US state...if they won't sell us Greenland, who cares about them?
Why? Though Trump would like to cut us off from the rest of the world and wallow in America first selfishness, ignorance and imperialistic disdain for everyone outside of our borders, others of us believe we are part of a greater whole--i.e., the world, our allies, the planet.

Trump treats our allies in a truly disgusting, ignorant and crude manner, while praising our enemies and the tyrants of the world. He does not care about Americans or anyone else. He is locked inside his own fragile, insecure ego and is dragging the rest of us down with him.

"...Denmark is a close American ally deserving of far better from President Trump. The American people, who expect their president will put U.S. interests before his own ego, also deserve better. Denmark's frustration is understandable, and Trump's disrespect to Denmark is both idiotic and immoral...".

...But Trump's words will only spark Danish public anger and empower left-wing politicians who want to weaken our alliance. The stakes here are potentially great. What, for example, if Denmark now chucks the U.S. military out of Greenland? That would greatly reduce our ability to detect and defend against Chinese and Russian nuclear attacks..."

...Denmark has fought alongside us in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Seven Danes gave their lives in Iraq. In Afghanistan, 43 Danes died, and hundreds more were wounded. There, Denmark chose to operate in the restive Helmand Province, taking the fight to the enemy. We should thank Danes for giving their sons' and daughters' lives for our common cause...."


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...ack-on-denmark
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:09 AM
 
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:26 AM
 
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Whoever gets to debate Trump should rebuttal him by saying, "why that's absurd," to see if he calls off the debate and walks out.
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Old 08-22-2019, 07:14 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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And here you are, completely losing your **** over it. In fact, the entire lunatic lib fringe is. Meanwhile, Trump is now free to focus on getting work done while you stare at the shiny object he is holding up. Thanks for falling for it..yet again


This is, quite possibly, the most ridiculous attempt at spin I've seen on this board. THAT is saying something. Uh, bravo, I guess?


How does "us" talking about, or not talking about, the President's ridiculous actions enable or impede his ability to "focus on getting work done", precisely?


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Old 08-22-2019, 07:16 AM
 
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Trump however will be re elected, not because people love him but because of what voting for the democrats means. ...
Your post tells me you are misinformed. You don't know what being a Democrat means and you don't know who your friends are.
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Old 08-22-2019, 07:19 AM
 
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Your post tells me you are misinformed. You don't know what being a Democrat means and you don't know who your friends are.
How is he misinformed? We see Democrats everyday and their agendas for this country everyday on CNN/MSNBC. We know everything you're about and we're telling you to get lost, we're not voting for your dumb agenda anymore.
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