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Old 08-16-2019, 12:59 PM
 
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Are there any notable moderate politicians who regularly use the shame and accountability cards against libs and cons that don't follow through with many of their promises?
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Old 08-16-2019, 01:15 PM
 
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Are there any notable moderate politicians who regularly use the shame and accountability cards against libs and cons that don't follow through with many of their promises?

Nope because moderation is boring to the US voter. We like fire breathing, mud slinging, lies, being told how great we are, fake hope, and undeserved praise. But we also remove people that govern that way, so yes it is confusing as heck. Just like this country, confused as to what it wants to be.
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Old 08-16-2019, 01:24 PM
 
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Firstly, you can't hold a president for not following through with certain campaign promises if Congress (you know, the other branch of partisan government) wouldn't go along.
Yeah, Obama found that out first hand. However, unlike Obama, Trump refuses to let the other two independent branches of government operate independently. He would love to have us be a dictatorship and he the dictator. Also unlike Obama, Trump seems dead set on destroying the environment we all have to live in.
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Old 08-16-2019, 02:34 PM
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Specifically, what were the 3 main things he promised that had you a "hard core" supporter?
1. By Far Border Wall
2. Non Interventionism/remove troops from current wars etc
3. Paid maternity leave


In that order.
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:26 PM
 
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'' IMO its like being in an abusive relationship...you can see the stuff he does, doesn't do and says but his core base STICKS WITH HIM! ''

Crazy doesnt see crazy. Love doesnt see faults.
Yes, I agree. They might wanna check on that one though!
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Old 08-16-2019, 06:36 PM
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Yeah, Obama found that out first hand. However, unlike Obama, Trump refuses to let the other two independent branches of government operate independently. He would love to have us be a dictatorship and he the dictator. Also unlike Obama, Trump seems dead set on destroying the environment we all have to live in.
Really? Because Obama lived by the executive order and criticized the Supreme Court to their face at the State of the Union address with the whole country watching. Y'all like to attack Trump for attacking the federal judiciary via Tweet, but the to their face attack was much more of an affront and disgrace; of course, the left won't talk about that
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Old Yesterday, 01:15 PM
 
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As a whole I donít see people holding their own elected officials accountable for their lack of actions or accountability. It seems easier to blame the other party and look away when their said elected official drops the ball continuously. This goes for BOTH parties.
Totally agree. It seems to take a bottoming out before people demand change, which is how Trump won. People were sick of career politicians who were all talk and no action.

That is starting to happen in CA after many years of one party rule. Seeing a bum poop on your front porch is a wake up call! We need two parties to balance each other's excesses.
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Old Yesterday, 01:58 PM
 
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As a former HARD CORE Trump supporter I have ( I believe anyways) a unique view of this whole thing. The way Trump supporters will stick with him NO MATTER WHAT he does, says, doesn't do etc is extremely disturbing.
Much of the behavior is explained by confirmation bias. Followers tend to see their candidate in the most favorable light, while filtering out or attempting to rationalize the negative aspects. This is unlikely to change among the hard core, regardless of how badly Trump behaves. It's all just human nature at work. Once Trump is out of office, viewpoints can start to shift.
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Old Yesterday, 04:44 PM
 
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Really? Because Obama lived by the executive order and criticized the Supreme Court to their face at the State of the Union address with the whole country watching. Y'all like to attack Trump for attacking the federal judiciary via Tweet, but the to their face attack was much more of an affront and disgrace; of course, the left won't talk about that
Donald Trump issued 120 executive orders between 2017 and 2019.
Barack Obama issued 276 executive orders between 2009 and 2017.
https://www.federalregister.gov/pres...ecutive-orders

When all is said and done I do think Trump will be #1 on that and he use to complain when Obama did it.
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Old Yesterday, 05:04 PM
 
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I don't expect a role model in a politician. Nice people aren't successful in business. It's just the way it works. This nation has a lot of issues, and frankly anyone better (looking at both sides) isn't going to step into the mess. Trump is the least of worst at this point. I don't agree with a lot of his policies but feel he's making steps in the right direction on trade, immigration, and border security:

Trade: We've been losing trillions of dollars to China in trade deficit for the last 15 years, who has been stealing IP, manipulating their currency, and using their surplus trade money to "subsidize" manufacturing(all land and buildings are Gov't owned, so our $$$$ are paying for China's new factories to further position them for their made in China 2025 goal of monopolizing 90% of the WORLDS manufacturing). We need to better balance trade with China, not eliminate it. We need to get tougher with them regarding tariffs, currency manipulation, and IP theft. Doing nothing is simply going to result in China eventually owning the USA. No wars, guns, military needed, they'll have *our* money and the power to just come buy us, its already starting to happen.

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Makes no sense. All the alleged Chinese transgressions increased risks to American corps, and yet they were standing in line to setup a shop in China. Take all the risks away and the line of eager outsourcers gets longer. Simple. We should support Chinese comrades, corporations want to pay meager wages to Chinese while looking for more desperate folks elsewhere, that's a rotten deal.
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