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View Poll Results: Opinion on illegal immigration/border security
Open up the border, let them all in, drugs/human trafficking as well. 1 0.51%
Secure the border, deport the "bad hombre's", offer path to citizenship for balance 65 33.33%
Secure the border, deport all illegals. 119 61.03%
Other, explain in response. 10 5.13%
Voters: 195. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-17-2019, 06:39 AM
 
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[quote=cttransplant85;55952693]2 obviously and offer a merit based path to citizenship for the balance./quote]
"and offer a merit based path to citizenship for the balance."

How can someone who broke our laws,"merit" staying here?

"obviously", you think criminals should be REWARDED for breaking our laws!
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:40 AM
 
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Border security depends on deportations, no amnesties and no incentives to come here.
No, what it really depends on is for the feds to stand up to employers who hire illegals, sending a few dozen of them to jail for hiring people who aren't authorized to work here would be a strong disincentive to other employers. Employers caused this and need to start paying for it.
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Fort Payne Alabama
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It doesn't have to be all or none. I'd say deporting 50% would be wildly successful.

Cut off all freebies, and you'll find that we don't need to do that much to fix a large part of the problem.
And heavily fine/put in jail the people that hire them!
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:48 AM
 
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Trying to deport all illegals is practically impossible. The only way to accomplish that would be to require e-verify for all jobs and depend on self-deportation when the illegals can no longer find employment. If you actually did completely rid the country of the source of cheap labor that illegals provide, you would create a labor shortage that would drive up the wages of those who are competing with illegals for jobs, but you would also drive of the cost of those goods and services for consumers and lessen demand.

As far as actual deportations, they should be focused on the true criminals who represent a danger to society.
"Trying to deport all illegals is practically impossible." ONLY if you have a defeatist attitude.

We were the FIST country in the WORLD to send a man to the moon. We defeated BOTH Germany, a 2nd time, AND Japan at the SAME TIME when were NOT prepared to build military weapons in sufficient numbers to do so.
I could list TONS of things we as a country have accomplished.

I do NOT accept the defeatist attitude.

"to require e-verify" While I am FOR e-verify, I am NOT naive enough to believe it CAN'T be scammed, just like Social Security cards, driver's licenses, credit card even FED govt computer systems,etc.

We CAN DO ANYTHING we put our minds to it!
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:48 AM
 
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I agree except I don't want merit based immigration that is mass and globally sourced either. All it will do is bring a lot more non-western, Asians to take all the good jobs and vote democrat policies. I want to just end immigration all together. If we can't have the pre-1965 rules where culture and demographics were considered, then just end it. It would be best to end it anyway, as we're overpopulated as it is.
Yes, that should be a consideration also. At this time I don't think we need many immigrants until all able bodied Americans are employed and we reduce our population numbers rather than increasing them. I would like to see what immigrants we do allow in be proficient in English and that we have common cultures.
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:52 AM
 
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Option 2 makes sense to me I've stopped reading posts a long time ago from the people promoting some version of 3. I don't care what they have to say.
Option 2 does NOT makes sense to me. I don't care what they have to say.
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:56 AM
 
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It would be interesting to look at the cost of deporting all illegals versus making them citizens. I bet rounding up all illegals across the USA would be astronomical. Federal workers could milk those bucks big time with all the "Overtime" across the country. Not to mention all the staffing up these agencies would need in order to effectively pull it off.

All the court cases, challenges, countries declining to take their citizens, on and on and on. I could see it costing >100 billon easy, and you better believe those agencies will find a need to keep the additional funding and personal. A new government jobs program that will never end.

Versus securing the border and provide a 1 time path to those already here post securing. Seems like common sense but that's not so common anymore.
"I bet rounding up all illegals across the USA would be astronomical." BUT, LESS then what we are paying NOW!

One Hospital in one city in the USA

]This is only One Hospital in one city in the USA

Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas,Texas is a fairly famous institution
and for a variety of reasons:

1. John F. Kennedy died there in 1963

2. Lee Harvey Oswald died there shortly after

3. Jack Ruby-who killed Lee Harvey Oswald, died there a few years later..by
coincidence

*"On the flip side, Parkland is also home to the second busiest maternity
ward in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year*

*(That's almost 44 per day---every day)*

*A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave
birth at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal
immigrants.. That's 11,200 anchor babies born every year just in Dallas.*


According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering
15,938 babies in 2004 but managed to end up with almost $8 million dollars
in surplus funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas County
taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another $9.5
million.

The average patient in Park land's maternity ward is 25 years old, married
and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal immigrant.. By
law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based on their
immigration status or ability to pay.

OK, fine. That doesn't mean they should receive better care than everyday,
middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital, they do. Parkland
Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE.

The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a patient
at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child ---her previous two
were also born at Parkland. Her first two deliveries were free and the
Mexican native was grateful because it would have cost $200 to have them in
Mexico. This time, the hospital wants her to pay $10 per visit and $100 for
the delivery but she was unsure if she could come up with the money. Not
that it matters, the hospital won't turn her away. (I wonder why they even
bother asking at this point.)

"How long has this been going on? What are the long-term affects?

Well, another subject of the article was born at Parkland in 1986 shortly
after her mother entered the US illegally - now she is having her own child
there as well (That's right, she's technically a US citizen)

These women receive free prenatal care including medication, nutrition,
birthing classes and child care classes. They also get freebies such as car
seats, bottles, diapers and formula.


Most of these things are available to American citizens as well but only
for low-income applicants and even then, the red tape involved is almost
insurmountable.

Because these women are illegal immigrants, they do not have to provide any
sort of legitimate identification - no proof of income. An American citizen
would have to provide a social security number which would reveal their
annual income - an illegal immigrant need only claim to be poor and the
hospital must take them at their word.

"My husband is a pilot for the United States Navy (yes, he fought in Iraq )
and while the health care is good, we Navy wives don't get any of these
perks! Car seats? Diapers? Not so much. So my question is this: Does our
public medical care system treat illegal immigrants better than American
citizens? Yes, it does!

As I mentioned, the care I have received is perfectly adequate but it's
bare bones, meat and potato medical care - not top of line.

Their (the illegals') medical care is free - simply because they are
illegal immigrants? Once again, there is no way to verify their income.

Parkland Hospital offers indigent care to Dallas County residents who earn
less than $40,000 per year. (They also have to prove that they did not
refuse health coverage at their current job. Yeah, the 'free' care is not
so easy for Americans.)

There are about 140 patients who received roughly $4 million dollars for
un-reimbursed medical care. As it turns out, they did not qualify for free
treatment because they resided outside of Dallas County so the hospital is
going to sue them! Illegals get it all free! But US citizens who live
outside of Dallas County get sued! How stupid is this?

As if that isn't annoying enough, the illegal immigrant patients are
actually complaining about hospital staff not speaking Spanish. In this AP
story, the author speaks with a woman who is upset that she had to
translate comments from the hospital staff into Spanish for her husband.
The doctor was trying to explain the situation to the family and the mother
was forced to translate for her husband who only spoke Spanish. This was
apparently a great injustice to her.

In an attempt to create a Spanish-speaking staff, Parkland Hospital is now
providing incentives in the form of extra pay for applicants who speak
Spanish. Additionally, medical students at the University of Texas
Southwestern for which Parkland Hospital is the training facility will now
have a Spanish language requirement added to their already jammed-packed
curriculum. No other school in the country boasts such a ridiculous
multi-semester (multicultural) requirement.

( Sorry for the length, but this needs wide circulation - particularly to
our "employees" in Congress.)

*Remember that this is only ONE hospital is Dallas, Texas. There are many
more hospitals across our country that also have to deal with this.*

*SO TRUMP IS RIGHT WANTING TO FOCUS ON ILLEGAL IMMIGATION*

*REMEMBER THEY ARE NOT 'UNDOCUMENTED ' , THEY ARE ILLEGAL & MILKING AMERICA
DRY....*..

*PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY US CITIZEN AND LEGAL RESIDENT YOU KNOW.*

If you want to verify accuracy:
https://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/parkland.asp

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrant-births-at-your-expense/ [/CENTER][/CENTER]
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:57 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Just curious on where a majority of us stand on illegal immigrants and border security:

1. Open up the borders and just let them all in (this means free flow of drugs and human trafficking as well) Amnesty for all existing illegal immigrants.

2. Secure the southern border, deport the "bad hombre's" and offer a merit based path to citizenship for the balance.

3. Secure the southern border, deport ALL ILLEGALS.

4. Other-explain in your post.

I really feel like Trump is in support of #2, which is a moderate stance compared to hard left and right opinions.
missing an option.....


secure the border, deport those with court orders, criminals. No consideration for others who entered illegally.


How many stolen identities have the 'good' illegals used? that does not deserve consideration?


Trump has made an offer to far more dreamers than the dems proposed and yet the dems passed on his offer. Dems wish to nurture the problem, not solve it, all to the detriment of the people they pretend to protect.


Apparently deportation is as effective as a restraining order. Meaningless and needs to be addressed.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:01 AM
 
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My state has never asked if a student enrolling in the district is legal or their parents. About 10-15 years ago a state comptroller said the state needed to keep track of what was being spent on illegals. They had never done it before. I'm not sure they are doing it now. Business wants cheap labor.

IMO, deporting all who are currently here is not practical. Nobody has ever said what it would take to deport all illegals.

The kids who were brought here, IMO, should be allowed to stay. Parents and everyone else can go home, take a number and get in line.

My county taxed property owners to provide a hospital for illegal expectant moms since I was a kid. That tells me what the politicians think about birthright citizenship. My county politicians have been controlled by real estate developers and builders for 100 years.
Hell, the dems don't even want the question of citizenship on the census!
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:04 AM
 
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I chose "other". Here is my explanation:

1) Close the border.

2) Raids and deport as many as possible. It will take time, and some will make it easy by self deporting.

3) Never allow "anchor babies" in again.

4) Build the wall. Include other various technology for the Border Patrol to assist in monitoring the border.

5) E-verify to be mandatory.

6) Any business who hires an illegal alien will not just be fined, but will be imprisoned. No more slaps on the wrist.

7) Merit based immigration. No more immigrants who do not provide something of value to this society. AND, the ONLY way that they can take a job is if we have as many as possible employed in that particular job, and cannot find any American citizen to fill it - but employers can't just pass on people simply because they want to hire an immigrant and pay them less. They have to make a serious effort to find candidates to fill the positions. No more laying off American citizens to replace them with visa card holders.

8) DACA recipients can stay. At this point, most of them are adults. I'm willing to allow them to stay to get everything else.

9) In the future, because of merit based immigration (meaning they will have skills that are needed), no more welfare of any type for any immigrant. Plenty of other immigrants in the past have waited their turn, arrived legally, had hardly anything to their name, and built up either a business and/or a good life for themselves and their families. If they can't support themselves, or don't have a sponsor (meaning a job), they don't come in.

10) This goes for every immigrant, no matter what part of the world they are from.
" Merit based immigration"

Some countries make you verify you have job waiting for you BEFORE you can enter the country except for tourists, visiting, etc.

Being so many on the left want "majority rules" when it comes to electing our president this WINS!

Secure the border, deport all illegals. 50 56.18%
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