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View Poll Results: Opinion on illegal immigration/border security
Open up the border, let them all in, drugs/human trafficking as well. 1 0.51%
Secure the border, deport the "bad hombre's", offer path to citizenship for balance 65 33.33%
Secure the border, deport all illegals. 119 61.03%
Other, explain in response. 10 5.13%
Voters: 195. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-17-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Places you dream of
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What is feasible and what is possible. Some can dream of a 1950ís America all they want - not happening. Most illegals now have kids in college. Me, all those kids brought here and consider this their only home - give them green cards . Those kids born in USA to illegals, give them Papers to petition for their parents. Same process - if dads a narco or drunken wife beater out! All those spouses who are married forever to an illegal give them papers to petition. They donít because he or she entered illegally. Say cut it off marriage of 7 yrs or more. E-verify and promise criminal charges to employers. Secure the border. That alone will change those numbers drastically
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Old 08-17-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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What is feasible and what is possible. Some can dream of a 1950ís America all they want - not happening. Most illegals now have kids in college. Me, all those kids brought here and consider this their only home - give them green cards . Those kids born in USA to illegals, give them Papers to petition for their parents. Same process - if dads a narco or drunken wife beater out! All those spouses who are married forever to an illegal give them papers to petition. They donít because he or she entered illegally. Say cut it off marriage of 7 yrs or more. E-verify and promise criminal charges to employers. Secure the border. That alone will change those numbers drastically
Here illegally, out you go no matter the circumstances. Already US kids can petition for their parents once they are eighteen.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:51 PM
 
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People are completely compassionless. It blows my mind.

You guys realize humans are humans, right? That they aren't any different from you because they were born on the other side of an invisible line?

Land mines? Jesus Christ... people don't deserve to be blown to bits for trying to come to America.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Out West
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I am a legal immigrant where I live now. In this country unlike the USA immigration laws are actually enforced. If they find you have over stayed your VISA by months or years, you will find yourself paying huge fines and jailed and finally deported. You really, really don't want to be jailed over here. These prisons are meant to be a punishment as well as a deterrent.

If they find you in the country illegally as in you snuck across the border. They don't say "well Sheeeeee it. How do we make this right for you?" No they enforce their laws. They will take all of your possessions, fine you, jail you then deport you.

The USA can learn a lot from other countries in regard to immigration enforcement.
This is what cracks me up about the left. They want to "be like" so many other countries, except when it comes to immigration. Suddenly, they are quiet about "being like" so many other countries.

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I agree with everything except about the DACA's. By allowing them to stay it rewards their parents for bringing them here. No child should benefit from their parent's lawbreaking. It sends a message that all you have to do is drag your kids over our border illegally and they are home free. We don't need the competition for jobs with these DACAs either.

What about the separation of families thingy? If the DACAs are allowed to remain here what about their parents? See where I'm going with this? No, the entire family needs to go back to their homelands and apply to come here legally as legal immigrants do and wait their turn in line.
I'm only talking about those who have been here since they were children. They are almost all mostly adults now. There would be no more DACA - I thought I made that pretty clear in my list. But I do have empathy for those, through no fault of their own, were illegally brought over here, have lived here their entire lives, no know other country as their home - and if I have to compromise somewhere, I would be willing to compromise on that.

It would NOT "send a signal" to keep doing it, because when you add in everything else that I said, it would not be allowed ever again.

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" Merit based immigration"

Some countries make you verify you have job waiting for you BEFORE you can enter the country except for tourists, visiting, etc.

Being so many on the left want "majority rules" when it comes to electing our president this WINS!

Secure the border, deport all illegals. 50 56.18%
As I said above, lefties are all about "being like" other countries until it comes to immigration, and then they talk out the other side of their mouths.

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People are completely compassionless. It blows my mind.

You guys realize humans are humans, right? That they aren't any different from you because they were born on the other side of an invisible line?

Land mines? Jesus Christ... people don't deserve to be blown to bits for trying to come to America.
Yes, we do realize "humans are humans". So let me ask you why the left cares so very little for innocent children? These people are dragging their kids, or someone elses kids, through the desert, or cramped up in the back of some semi with no air, no water, no food. Or they are led by a coyote/human trafficker, and get sold for nefarious reasons into slavery. And yet the left sees absolutely no problem with that continuing. So you tell me why the left is so cold and heartless when it comes to the children?

The best and most safe way to gain access to another country to live there is to enter the country legally.

If the left wouldn't be standing there on the border waving around all of the presents they want to give them if they can make it, then maybe they wouldn't be putting their (or other's) children's lives at risk for handouts that will only maintain a basic lifestyle, but will never, EVER afford them any type of economic freedom for the simple fact that they are illegal.

The left has no compassion for any of them. They only want cheap vegetables, cheap help, cheap but ethnic food at restaurants, and votes. That's all it's about - what can the left get from it, not what can those people get by entering the country LEGALLY!

And don't even start with "they can't afford to...." yes they can. Look up how much money they pay these traffickers to sneak them across the border. It isn't cheap, even by U.S. standards.
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Old 08-17-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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People are completely compassionless. It blows my mind.

You guys realize humans are humans, right? That they aren't any different from you because they were born on the other side of an invisible line?

Land mines? Jesus Christ... people don't deserve to be blown to bits for trying to come to America.
No country's borders are imaginary lines they are internationally recognized borders with government's and immigration laws. So WTH are you talking about?

Humans break laws and must be held accountable for it. Being human doesn't change that fact.. Again, WTH are you talking about?

No one has the right to come to the U.S. without permission and it's the same rules in every country. I don't advocate for violence but they must be stopped with good physical barriers and the Border Patrol. Apply to come here legally or don't come at all!!!

We also have polices for asylum seeking. Poverty nor violence are viable reasons. Don't like it, tough!
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Old 08-17-2019, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Places you dream of
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Here illegally, out you go no matter the circumstances. Already US kids can petition for their parents once they are eighteen.
I think there should be no age. Get them an attorney. Like I say what pipe dreams and what feasible - deport 16mil not in your lifetime
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Old 08-17-2019, 05:16 PM
 
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No country's borders are imaginary lines they are internationally recognized borders with government's and immigration laws. So WTH are you talking about?

Humans break laws and must be held accountable for it. Being human doesn't change that fact.. Again, WTH are you talking about?

No one has the right to come to the U.S. without permission and it's the same rules in every country. I don't advocate for violence but they must be stopped with good physical barriers and the Border Patrol. Apply to come here legally or don't come at all!!!

We also have polices for asylum seeking. Poverty nor violence are viable reasons. Don't like it, tough!
Being human doesnít count! Give me a Break !! If your kid kills 4 people driving drunk and underage if wealthy, he gets probation! If heís a college good ole boy and rapes a girl, He gets counseling - and God forbid we said castration to predators and rapist. Oh lord thatís too harsh on a man. too cruel! When white collar crime Mtg fraud brought this country to its knees and people lost their homes and nobody got pulled in at all!!! - when you play by the rules across the board - then I will agree with you! If not pfft- let humanity rule.
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Old 08-17-2019, 05:48 PM
 
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"I bet rounding up all illegals across the USA would be astronomical." BUT, LESS then what we are paying NOW!

One Hospital in one city in the USA

]This is only One Hospital in one city in the USA

Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas,Texas is a fairly famous institution
and for a variety of reasons:

1. John F. Kennedy died there in 1963

2. Lee Harvey Oswald died there shortly after

3. Jack Ruby-who killed Lee Harvey Oswald, died there a few years later..by
coincidence

*"On the flip side, Parkland is also home to the second busiest maternity
ward in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year*

*(That's almost 44 per day---every day)*

*A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave
birth at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal
immigrants.. That's 11,200 anchor babies born every year just in Dallas.*


According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering
15,938 babies in 2004 but managed to end up with almost $8 million dollars
in surplus funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas County
taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another $9.5
million.

The average patient in Park land's maternity ward is 25 years old, married
and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal immigrant.. By
law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based on their
immigration status or ability to pay.

OK, fine. That doesn't mean they should receive better care than everyday,
middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital, they do. Parkland
Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE.

The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a patient
at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child ---her previous two
were also born at Parkland. Her first two deliveries were free and the
Mexican native was grateful because it would have cost $200 to have them in
Mexico. This time, the hospital wants her to pay $10 per visit and $100 for
the delivery but she was unsure if she could come up with the money. Not
that it matters, the hospital won't turn her away. (I wonder why they even
bother asking at this point.)

"How long has this been going on? What are the long-term affects?

Well, another subject of the article was born at Parkland in 1986 shortly
after her mother entered the US illegally - now she is having her own child
there as well (That's right, she's technically a US citizen)

These women receive free prenatal care including medication, nutrition,
birthing classes and child care classes. They also get freebies such as car
seats, bottles, diapers and formula.


Most of these things are available to American citizens as well but only
for low-income applicants and even then, the red tape involved is almost
insurmountable.

Because these women are illegal immigrants, they do not have to provide any
sort of legitimate identification - no proof of income. An American citizen
would have to provide a social security number which would reveal their
annual income - an illegal immigrant need only claim to be poor and the
hospital must take them at their word.

"My husband is a pilot for the United States Navy (yes, he fought in Iraq )
and while the health care is good, we Navy wives don't get any of these
perks! Car seats? Diapers? Not so much. So my question is this: Does our
public medical care system treat illegal immigrants better than American
citizens? Yes, it does!

As I mentioned, the care I have received is perfectly adequate but it's
bare bones, meat and potato medical care - not top of line.

Their (the illegals') medical care is free - simply because they are
illegal immigrants? Once again, there is no way to verify their income.

Parkland Hospital offers indigent care to Dallas County residents who earn
less than $40,000 per year. (They also have to prove that they did not
refuse health coverage at their current job. Yeah, the 'free' care is not
so easy for Americans.)

There are about 140 patients who received roughly $4 million dollars for
un-reimbursed medical care. As it turns out, they did not qualify for free
treatment because they resided outside of Dallas County so the hospital is
going to sue them! Illegals get it all free! But US citizens who live
outside of Dallas County get sued! How stupid is this?

As if that isn't annoying enough, the illegal immigrant patients are
actually complaining about hospital staff not speaking Spanish. In this AP
story, the author speaks with a woman who is upset that she had to
translate comments from the hospital staff into Spanish for her husband.
The doctor was trying to explain the situation to the family and the mother
was forced to translate for her husband who only spoke Spanish. This was
apparently a great injustice to her.

In an attempt to create a Spanish-speaking staff, Parkland Hospital is now
providing incentives in the form of extra pay for applicants who speak
Spanish. Additionally, medical students at the University of Texas
Southwestern for which Parkland Hospital is the training facility will now
have a Spanish language requirement added to their already jammed-packed
curriculum. No other school in the country boasts such a ridiculous
multi-semester (multicultural) requirement.

( Sorry for the length, but this needs wide circulation - particularly to
our "employees" in Congress.)

*Remember that this is only ONE hospital is Dallas, Texas. There are many
more hospitals across our country that also have to deal with this.*

*SO TRUMP IS RIGHT WANTING TO FOCUS ON ILLEGAL IMMIGATION*

*REMEMBER THEY ARE NOT 'UNDOCUMENTED ' , THEY ARE ILLEGAL & MILKING AMERICA
DRY....*..

*PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY US CITIZEN AND LEGAL RESIDENT YOU KNOW.*

If you want to verify accuracy:
https://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/parkland.asp

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrant-births-at-your-expense/ [/CENTER][/CENTER]
It's just outrageous how were are subsidizing and aiding illegals imposing themselves on us .
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Right here; Right now
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Just curious on where a majority of us stand on illegal immigrants and border security:

1. Open up the borders and just let them all in (this means free flow of drugs and human trafficking as well) Amnesty for all existing illegal immigrants.

2. Secure the southern border, deport the "bad hombre's" and offer a merit based path to citizenship for the balance.

3. Secure the southern border, deport ALL ILLEGALS.

4. Other-explain in your post.

I really feel like Trump is in support of #2, which is a moderate stance compared to hard left and right opinions.
Get better at drug detection at the legal ports (which is where the majority of drugs and guns come into this country from) of entry and stop worrying about the immigrants.
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:41 PM
 
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People are completely compassionless. It blows my mind.

You guys realize humans are humans, right? That they aren't any different from you because they were born on the other side of an invisible line?

Land mines? Jesus Christ... people don't deserve to be blown to bits for trying to come to America.
So do it legally and live. Compassion is fine as long as itís not at the taxpayers expense.
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