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View Poll Results: Opinion on illegal immigration/border security
Open up the border, let them all in, drugs/human trafficking as well. 1 0.51%
Secure the border, deport the "bad hombre's", offer path to citizenship for balance 65 33.33%
Secure the border, deport all illegals. 119 61.03%
Other, explain in response. 10 5.13%
Voters: 195. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-17-2019, 06:51 PM
 
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So do it legally and live. Compassion is fine as long as itís not at the taxpayers expense.
Congress has decided the legal qualifications ... and yet, the POTUS has them on ignore. From where I sit the only issue is with the possibility of migrants breaking the law, but the POTUS is free to do it all day long at the taxpayer expense and it's okay. As long as he keep 'those' people out, its all good.
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Old 08-17-2019, 10:09 PM
 
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Congress has decided the legal qualifications ... and yet, the POTUS has them on ignore. From where I sit the only issue is with the possibility of migrants breaking the law, but the POTUS is free to do it all day long at the taxpayer expense and it's okay. As long as he keep 'those' people out, its all good.
What is he ignoring?
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Old 08-17-2019, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Dublin, OH
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Work on securing the boarder (not with a stupid wall...but better technology like drones) and only deport those that commit crimes...have a pathway to citizenship for every one that is currently here illegally and then make it much simpler to get approved to immigrate here legally.
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Old 08-17-2019, 11:40 PM
 
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Option 3, of course.
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Old 08-18-2019, 05:26 AM
 
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People are completely compassionless. It blows my mind.

You guys realize humans are humans, right? That they aren't any different from you because they were born on the other side of an invisible line?

Land mines? Jesus Christ... people don't deserve to be blown to bits for trying to come to America.
People are completely compassionless"

Lady Justice is BLINDFOLDED for a REASON!

Do we let bank robbers keep the money they stole when caught?

Do we let houses, cars jewelry etc. be kept when bought with drug money? NO.

You should NOT be rewarded for breaking the laws.

"because they were born on the other side of an invisible line?"

Right! Let's eliminate ALL country's borders and come one big happy family and sit around smoking dope and singing Koom-by-ya all day.

"You CANT reason with UN-reasnable people!"
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Old 08-18-2019, 06:36 AM
 
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It would be interesting to look at the cost of deporting all illegals versus making them citizens. I bet rounding up all illegals across the USA would be astronomical. Federal workers could milk those bucks big time with all the "Overtime" across the country. Not to mention all the staffing up these agencies would need in order to effectively pull it off.

All the court cases, challenges, countries declining to take their citizens, on and on and on. I could see it costing >100 billon easy, and you better believe those agencies will find a need to keep the additional funding and personal. A new government jobs program that will never end.

Versus securing the border and provide a 1 time path to those already here post securing. Seems like common sense but that's not so common anymore.


That's the question no one wants to even consider. The dollars involved plus the amount of time it would take is why it is rarely mentioned.

Factor in the employers who want illegals and it is easy to see mass deportation will never happen.
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Old 08-18-2019, 06:53 AM
 
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Work on securing the boarder (not with a stupid wall...but better technology like drones) and only deport those that commit crimes...have a pathway to citizenship for every one that is currently here illegally and then make it much simpler to get approved to immigrate here legally.
Stupid wall? Where the good walls have been erected already is has cut back illegal entry by 90%. If walls are so stupid than why do we have them around our homes and businesses?

No, no pathway to citizenship for any illegal aliens they need to be deported as our laws state. We have annual quotas already for legal immigrants and that would negate that sane policy for years to come. We don't need an easier way for them to come here legally as we don't need any more above our annual quotas in place already.

All illegal aliens commit crimes. How are they working if not by using a fake or stolen SS number or working for cash evading taxes? Those are felonies!! Law breakers should never be rewarded and Americans need their jobs back. Removing them from our society would alleviate our over crowded schools, jails, healthcare facilities, neighborhoods and roads. It will lessen the depletion of our natural and social resources also.

Simply put, your ideas are just plain asinine.
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Old 08-18-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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Congress has decided the legal qualifications ... and yet, the POTUS has them on ignore. From where I sit the only issue is with the possibility of migrants breaking the law, but the POTUS is free to do it all day long at the taxpayer expense and it's okay. As long as he keep 'those' people out, its all good.
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What is he ignoring?
OffT, but important to note:
Blumenthal, et al. v. Trump

"Trump’s failure to comply with the Constitution matters."


Next OnT Flores Agreement congress passed in 1997 which is in essence immigration reform; one must go through Congress to change the law, but not the Donald ...

The Trump administration wants to bypass rules that protect immigrant children

Not only does he bypass it, but he wants the ability to detain all migrants indefinitely and totally remove any protection the Flores gives to people including due process. Also, in utilizing the objections of the people on migration, he is increasing the number of private prisons in the u.s. as if the u.s doesn't haven enough of them already, as the u.s. ranks number one in the number of people incarcerated. "For four decades, the U.S. has been engaged in a globally unprecedented experiment to make every part of its criminal justice system more expansive and more punitive."

2016:
Trump vs. the Constitution: A Guide

and a year in review:
Trump and the Constitution: A year in review and our coverage
"As President Trump’s second year of office begins, these constitutional issues remain as salient as ever."

So rather than discuss the elephant in the room, people's attention is on the people who may or may not be entering the country illegally, and totally blind to the human rights violations of their nation.
When the bell tolls ... (and yes, there is history, just ask any American citizen whose name ended in the flavor of the day)
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Old 08-18-2019, 01:34 PM
 
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I thought for sure all the Dem's here would have voted for: "Open up the border, let them all in, drugs/human trafficking as well."
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:51 AM
 
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Congress has decided the legal qualifications ... and yet, the POTUS has them on ignore. From where I sit the only issue is with the possibility of migrants breaking the law, but the POTUS is free to do it all day long at the taxpayer expense and it's okay. As long as he keep 'those' people out, its all good.
"Congress has decided the legal qualifications ... and yet, the POTUS has them on ignore."

No different then when dems did it and you didn't complain abut THEM, why?

"On June 15, 2012, then-Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano issued a memorandum entitled “Exercising Prosecutorial Discretion with Respect to Individuals Who Came to the United States as Children,” creating a non-congressionally authorized administrative program that permitted certain individuals who came to the United States as juveniles and meet several criteria—including lacking any current lawful immigration status—to request consideration of deferred action for a period of two years, subject to renewal, and eligibility for work authorization. This program became known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA).

https://www.dhs.gov/deferred-action-...-arrivals-daca

"President Obama’s recent announcement that DHS will use discretion to halt the deportations of eligible immigrant youth. They wasted no time hurling some base-stirring claims—“administrative amnesty,” “end-runs around Congress,”

"President Obama’s recent announcement that DHS will use discretion to halt the deportations of eligible immigrant youth. They wasted no time hurling some base-stirring claims—“administrative amnesty,” “end-runs around Congress,” “executive fiat.”"

http://immigrationimpact.com/2012/06.../#.XVqNCnt7ldg

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