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Old 08-19-2019, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Central Illinois -
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the US military did not lose in vietnam. they won all the battles, including the tet offensive which fell apart after the first day, and was finished when the marines retook the city of hue.



and when nixon instituted operation linebacker two, the NVA was within three days of surrendering when the operation was stopped after the NVA went back to the bargaining table.


we lost that war when the politicians signed the peace treaty. after we puled our combat troops out of the country, the NVA swarmed south, and we ended up leaving from the embassy, because there were not enough troops in country to stop the invasion.nice try but you have failed here.
No sir, it is you that failed. The Vietnamese were never close to surrendering, you clearly live in a fantasy world of your own making. If it is your happy place, then good for you, but don't tell that man he "failed", because he is spot on.

The military could still be in Vietnam today, 50 years later, and would still be winning the battles, but it would never win the war.
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Old 08-20-2019, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Have not seen it and have no interest in seeing it. I just know for a fact that they lied to us while we were there and lied to the public at home. And so did the media.
Well maybe the North Vietnamese will think twice before they attack our country and invade our borders.
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Old 08-20-2019, 01:00 PM
 
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No sir, it is you that failed. The Vietnamese were never close to surrendering, you clearly live in a fantasy world of your own making. If it is your happy place, then good for you, but don't tell that man he "failed", because he is spot on.

The military could still be in Vietnam today, 50 years later, and would still be winning the battles, but it would never win the war.
here is an in depth look at what led the north to win. This guy was there and knows. Not some armchair author who makes up stories. The united states government caused the Failure...……

ARVN 1968-1975

read this in its entirety...……..this is why I feel such pain at deserting the South vietnamese. They deserved better.
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Old Yesterday, 05:23 AM
 
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We got our butts kicked on a daily basis and the government admitted afterward that they grossly inflated the number of enemy losses. They did it because the war was losing support at home. And no, we turned tail and abandoned the south who had fought with us.
"We got our butts kicked on a daily basis"

Funny I did 2 TOURS there and NEVER got my but kicked, You?

"They did it because the war was losing support at home", BECAUSE the likes of walter cronkite were tellies LIES about what was gong on just as you just did based on what you heard from the "news". Crinkite stood in the middle of Saigon and claimed, "we have LOST the war" when in FACT we countered the attack. "
“Our Tet plans required absolute secrecy and all soldiers took an oath of silence. Therefore when fighting began, our supporters did not know what to do. Most were afraid and confused and did nothing. They did not know about the Tet Offensive beforehand.”
Tran Van Tra, writing in 1978
“The Tet Offensive] failed because we underestimated our enemies and overestimated ourselves. We set goals which we realistically could not achieve.”
Tran Van Tra, writing in 1978"

"General Vo Nguyen
He knew something else as well, and profited from it: that waging war in the television age depended as much on propaganda as it did on success in the field.
These lessons were driven home in the Tet offensive of 1968, when North Vietnamese regulars and Communist guerrillas, the Vietcong, attacked scores of military targets and provincial capitals throughout South Vietnam, only to be thrown back with overwhelming losses. General Giap had expected the offensive to set off uprisings and show the Vietnamese that the Americans were vulnerable.
Militarily, it was a failure. But the offensive came as opposition to the war was growing in the United States, and the televised savagery of the fighting fueled another wave of protests."

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“The Tet offensive had been directed primarily at the people of South Vietnam,” General Giap said later, “but as it turned out, it affected the people of the United States more. Until Tet, they thought they could win the war, but now they knew that they could not.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/05/w...giap-dies.html

And was doing the MOST complaining about the war? COLLEGE "chickens" who were AFRAID they would get their buts sent there. Plain and simple!

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Old Yesterday, 05:35 AM
 
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"we got our butts kicked on a daily basis"


funny i did 2 tours there and never got my but kicked, you?

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Old Yesterday, 05:58 AM
 
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^^^^^^This. I tried to watch the Ken Burns documentary on Vietnam, and only could get through three ur four episodes. A lot of Anti American, Progressive CRAP. Glorified Ho Chi Minh and the North Vietnamese as freedom fighters while portraying our soldiers as Baby Killers. Total lying to fit his Liberal/Progressive, hate America AGENDA.
After watching the 1st 2 I stopped because of what you said. I was there, he was NOT!
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Old Yesterday, 06:02 AM
 
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58,318
It is NOTED you did NOT answer the question! But instead tried to divert away from it.
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Old Yesterday, 07:32 AM
 
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58,318
vs 444,000
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Old Yesterday, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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You actually think WW2 veterans did not suffer from PTSD?
I was dumbfounded by that statement. Sure they called it battle fatigue and shell-shock and so on, but the horror of war did as much damage to the WWII generation as it does today. Difference is that they had to suppress it and could not seek help as it was viewed as "weakness".
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Old Yesterday, 07:54 AM
 
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vs 444,000

Americans only care about the number I gave.
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