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Old 08-17-2019, 06:03 PM
Status: "Proud American, Always and Forever" (set 19 days ago)
 
Location: DMV Area/NYC/Honolulu
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Super PACs should have been never allowed from the start. Screw Citizens United.
I'm curious, why exactly are you against Citizens United?

Do you not appreciate the First Amendment?

You do realize that a corporation is nothing more, legally, than a group of people who have come together for some common business purpose. The First Amendment protects the free speech rights of groups of individuals, too, not just expressions from singular individuals.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:12 PM
 
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I think it should be opposite once the nominations are in and it is only the final candidate from each party. At that point it should only be federal funding so each person has the same amount to work from.

If I'm the candidate representing the Spaghetti Monster party I get just as much as Trump?
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:21 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Nope.

Dems just want to do away with the EC because they can't win it.

THey'd love the idea at NY and California to determine every election.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Do you feel that:

Federal campaigns should be funded by donors and not via money from taxes

Do away with super PACS
No......I hate money in politics. I'm not a huge fan of taxes going to campaigning either but I think it would be better since I think it would save money if we could keep Washington politicos from being so indebted to special interests,

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Do away with super delegates electing candidates
In general I think we need electoral college reform. I'd like to see a tiered ballot where we have run-offs without having to fund another ballot. It won't eliminate strategic voting but I think it would cut down on it ng=d encourage people to vote for the candidate they prefer over the candidate they think has the best chance against the candidate they fear the most.

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Debates only on the radio or PBS
Something needs to change with the debates, that's for sure.

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Open primaries
As an independent I have changed my mind on this. I used to resent the fsact that my voice wasn't;t heard in the primaries. However. I now live in an open primary state. I don't think it will matter much here where the state is not exactly in play, but I think that sadly I think people would misuse open primaries in this day and age. As I see people dsying they sre senidng $5 to Candidate X's campaign becuaere the sender thinks the candidate is entertaining, it makes me realize we cannot trust people to use open primaries in the way they are intended. The other party can unfortunately use open primaries against the other my having voteers vote for candidates they feel are not as electable just to increase their own changes, etc. Sadly I would rather give up my ability to vote in primaries than see this happen.

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Election day first Friday of November and Saturday following that Friday
I'm not wedded to this specific reform but we do need to make sure everyone can vote without putting their jobs at risk. This is one solution; there sare others.

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Do away with Electoral College
As note above I'd like a tiered system and am sceptical about the ongoing utility of the Electoral College.

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Replace voting process by Rank Choice Voting
Yes....as noted above I thinkg this is a great idea.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Election day first Friday of November and Saturday following that Friday
Election day should be the first Tuesday following April 15th (or whichever day Income Tax forms are due for most Americans).

This will have more of the impact it needs (and deserves) after income tax withholding is repealed.

Once your employer stops taking taxes out of your paycheck (mostly without your seeing it), and you need to send them in voluntarily... but on April 15th you must square the account just as you do now... THAT would be the best time for you to vote for/against the legislators and executive who decide what taxes you will pay.

Some may argue that this would put some taxpayers in big trouble.

I submit it will put some tax legislators in big trouble... and that would be a self-correcting situation. Something we are sorely lacking now.
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Old 08-17-2019, 09:46 PM
 
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No......I hate money in politics. I'm not a huge fan of taxes going to campaigning either but I think it would be better since I think it would save money if we could keep Washington politicos from being so indebted to special interests,



In general I think we need electoral college reform. I'd like to see a tiered ballot where we have run-offs without having to fund another ballot. It won't eliminate strategic voting but I think it would cut down on it ng=d encourage people to vote for the candidate they prefer over the candidate they think has the best chance against the candidate they fear the most.



Something needs to change with the debates, that's for sure.



As an independent I have changed my mind on this. I used to resent the fsact that my voice wasn't;t heard in the primaries. However. I now live in an open primary state. I don't think it will matter much here where the state is not exactly in play, but I think that sadly I think people would misuse open primaries in this day and age. As I see people dsying they sre senidng $5 to Candidate X's campaign becuaere the sender thinks the candidate is entertaining, it makes me realize we cannot trust people to use open primaries in the way they are intended. The other party can unfortunately use open primaries against the other my having voteers vote for candidates they feel are not as electable just to increase their own changes, etc. Sadly I would rather give up my ability to vote in primaries than see this happen.



I'm not wedded to this specific reform but we do need to make sure everyone can vote without putting their jobs at risk. This is one solution; there sare others.



As note above I'd like a tiered system and am sceptical about the ongoing utility of the Electoral College.



Yes....as noted above I thinkg this is a great idea.
Could always do away with Primaries and just have a free for all of candidates. Move the General Election to say the first Friday of May and Saturday following it.
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Old 08-18-2019, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by RunD1987 View Post
Do you feel that:

Federal campaigns should be funded by donors and not via money from taxes

Do away with super PACS

Do away with super delegates electing candidates

Debates only on the radio or PBS

Open primaries

Election day first Friday of November and Saturday following that Friday

Do away with Electoral College

Replace voting process by Rank Choice Voting

Yes or No???

Federal campaigns should be funded by donors and not via money from taxes
Would make no difference

Do away with super PACS
Would make no difference

Do away with super delegates electing candidates
Probably a good idea

Debates only on the radio or PBS
This one will happen when pigs fly

Open primaries
Not sure what you mean here

Election day first Friday of November and Saturday following that Friday
Agree, this is a Ross Perot item from way back - why in the heck are we voting on a Tuesday

Do away with Electoral College
Don't even think about it. It's not happening, and 1/2 the country would have no reason to remain in this so-called 'union of states' if you eliminate it.

Replace voting process by Rank Choice Voting
Not sure what you mean here
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Old 08-18-2019, 10:03 AM
 
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Do you feel that:

Federal campaigns should be funded by donors and not via money from taxes
No public financing. Fuggeddaboutit.

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Do away with super PACS
Not going to happen, nor should it.

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Do away with super delegates electing candidates
This is really more of a DNC problem than anything else.

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Debates only on the radio or PBS
There's absolutely no reason to even consider this one.

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Open primaries
Once again...mostly a DNC issue.

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Election day first Friday of November and Saturday following that Friday
Fuggeddaboutit. With mail-in balloting, absentee voting and early voting, this is a completely superfluous idea. It will also take a constitutional amendment that isn't going to happen under any circumstances.

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Do away with Electoral College
Fuggeddaboutit. See constitutional amendment note above.

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Replace voting process by Rank Choice Voting
This is just kinda dumb, to be honest. You're still going to need a "voting process" in order to determine the winner of elections, whether one is determining the winner(s) by majority, plurality, or by rank choice. You're not actually "replacing the voting process" in any material respect. People are still going to have to vote, no matter how one determines the winner.
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Old 08-18-2019, 12:19 PM
 
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Think RCV, doing away with the Electoral College, and donations to campaigns made via non tax dollars would open the door to a Multi-Party Congress
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Old 08-18-2019, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Do you feel that:

Federal campaigns should be funded by donors and not via money from taxes
Only if the following Amendment is adopted:

AMENDMENT XXVIII

Section 1

No person or organization shall contribute money, or goods or services in kind, or tangible property to a campaign or candidate for political office, or to a ballot issue or ballot measure who shall not be legally eligible to vote for the candidate or to vote for the ballot issue or ballot measure.

Section 2

Political parties shall disburse monies only within the State in which the campaign funds were raised, donated or accumulated, and shall not transfer monies to other States.

Section 3

Any person who knowingly or willfully commits a violation of this Amendment shall be imprisoned for not less than 10 years and fined not less than 300 percent of the amount of money, goods or services or tangible property transferred or conferred upon the candidate, campaign or ballot measure.

Section 4

The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

In plain English, if you cannot vote for a candidate, then you cannot contribute money or any services in-kind.

That means people like George Soros can only contribute money to presidential candidates, to his two senators and no other senators in other States; to his congressional representative for his district and other congress-critters anywhere in the US; to gubernatorial candidates in his State and no others; to the State senators and representatives that represent him in his State and no others; to his candidates for county offices in the county in which he resides and no other counties anywhere in the US; to mayorial and council candidates in the city in which he resides and no others.

That also means he can only contribute monies to ballot measures in his State of residence and not contribute monies for or against ballot measures in other States, like casino gambling, marihuana legislation, pharmaceutial drugs etc etc.

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Do away with super PACS
The above Amendment would not eliminate PACs, since that would violate the First Amendment, but it will prevent PACs from contributing monies or services in-kind which includes campaign advertising on radio and TV and billboards or publishing or distributing campaign material, unless that material was of an educational nature.

PACs could certainly publish and distribute fact-based education material about pending congressional or state legislation so long as the names of legislators or candidates are not mentioned.

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Do away with super delegates electing candidates
That's a party issue.

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Debates only on the radio or PBS
Violates 1st Amendment peaceable assembly clause.

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Open primaries
Party issue.

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Election day first Friday of November and Saturday following that Friday
Nothing wrong with current election day. Other countries do it in one day. Why is America special?

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Do away with Electoral College
Constitutional issue. The US is a federal republic, not a nation-State.

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Replace voting process by Rank Choice Voting
I would support it only under the following conditions:

1) Each candidate upon filing with the Federal Elections Commission must name their vice president and six cabinet members: Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense and Secretary of the Treasury, plus any three cabinet positions of their choosing.

2) each team gets one year from July 1 to June 30 to travel the country and sell their platform to Americans.

3) A team forfeits their candidacy if any member of the team drops-out.

4) An election is held on the first Saturday in July --barring the 4th of July--- and voters vote ranking the teams by preference.

5) The two teams getting the most votes are the two candidates. They continue to campaign and sell their platform to Americans until Election Day.
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