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Old 08-18-2019, 07:22 PM
 
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Open primaries
Not sure what you mean here

You'd be able to vote for candidates in other parties, if you were in one sided district your primary vote is pointless because of the inevitable loss in the general. You'd can potentially have a say in who is going to win via your primary vote which could bump a more candidate into the general election.

In that scenrio I'm on the fence about it being a good or bad idea but the there is much bigger issue because it can be abused in contested Districts. Suppose one party has shoe in for the primary but a battle for the general against candidate A in the other party, they could vote in candidate B of the other party who has less of a chance in the genaeral. When the general comes around of course they would be voting for their own candidate.

For that reason alone this idea needs to be rejected.
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Old 08-18-2019, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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"Mircea",, To the best of my knowledge, Soros is not a US citizen.
He lives in Poland.


Bob.
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:33 AM
 
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You'd be able to vote for candidates in other parties, if you were in one sided district your primary vote is pointless because of the inevitable loss in the general. You'd can potentially have a say in who is going to win via your primary vote which could bump a more candidate into the general election.

In that scenrio I'm on the fence about it being a good or bad idea but the there is much bigger issue because it can be abused in contested Districts. Suppose one party has shoe in for the primary but a battle for the general against candidate A in the other party, they could vote in candidate B of the other party who has less of a chance in the genaeral. When the general comes around of course they would be voting for their own candidate.

For that reason alone this idea needs to be rejected.
I assume open primaries would be more as:

Unaffiliated voter's don't have to register with a Party. Walk in pick a ballot for one of the Parties. It's RCV. The candidate with the most votes wins.
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:53 AM
 
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Do you feel that:

Federal campaigns should be funded by donors and not via money from taxes

Do away with super PACS

Do away with super delegates electing candidates

Debates only on the radio or PBS

Open primaries

Election day first Friday of November and Saturday following that Friday

Do away with Electoral College

Replace voting process by Rank Choice Voting

Yes or No???

we dont have a problem with our elections, what we DO have a problem with is entitled people thinking they know better about how our elections should be run, ad how they should be set up to get the result THEY want, not what the people want. and if they cant win following the rules, they will change them until they win. until then they will whine about the election system we have followed since 1789.
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Old 08-19-2019, 04:48 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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No. I hate ranked voting. If you want a candidate want to be more representative of the will of the voters, require that a candidate win an absolute majority of votes, or else have a runoff election. But I have found that voters don't take ranked voting seriously enough to warrant it.
Runoff is actually worse than ranked ballot....if you like voting more than once then runoff is the way to go but what if your second choice gets eliminated in the second round of voting? Why vote for a candidate you didn't want?

I like the Borda Count, where each candidate gets "points", so your first choice gets 4 points, your second choice gets 2 points, third gets 1 point. You would select as many or as few candidates as you want on the ballot--all in one shot--and each gets the corresponding points.
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:03 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Do you feel that:

Federal campaigns should be funded by donors and not via money from taxes
No but donations and amounts should be limited to a very low number. Money is not speech, it is the amplification of speech and I am willing to amend the constitution to accomplish it.
Do away with super PACS
Do away with paid lobbying period. See above constitutional amendment. Also specifically disallow former congresscritters from doing any lobbying. Including spouses and including work arounds like speech making.
Do away with super delegates electing candidates
I would rather see something like a multi round ballot combined with a jungle style primary. Both parties are run by fringy people who are nothing close to the great majority of Americans.
Debates only on the radio or PBS

Open primaries
see above
Election day first Friday of November and Saturday following that Friday
Sure but also make ballot harvesting illegal. The ONLY exception is if you have a formal legal power of attorney for an immobile relative.
Do away with Electoral College
No but would love to see some kind of skewed proportional version of it. Pproportional + 2 for winning. Forces GOP to run in CA and Dems to run in TX. As now only 12ish states are in play. I already know who is going to win CA in 2020.
Replace voting process by Rank Choice Voting

Yes or No???
see above
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:31 AM
 
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I assume open primaries would be more as:

If you look it up it varies by state. Some for example allow you to declare your party when you walk into the polling place. Some allow independents to vote.



In any event if you are going to be voting in X parties primary you should either be first time voter or have a member of that party for perhaps 1 year and a day. Anything that would allow the opposition to game the system where they are voting for someone to lose in the general should not be allowed.


I suppose this really should be up to the party without interference from the state.
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:59 AM
 
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Just the DEMS wishlist so they can dominate elections. They are already buying votes with free give aways........the big prize is dumping electoral college, so the big coastal LIB cities (LAX-NYC-SEA etc) will run the country. Smaller cities and midwest will be irrelevant.
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Old 08-19-2019, 06:46 AM
 
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Just the DEMS wishlist so they can dominate elections. They are already buying votes with free give aways........the big prize is dumping electoral college, so the big coastal LIB cities (LAX-NYC-SEA etc) will run the country. Smaller cities and midwest will be irrelevant.
Hello, this is 2019, not the 1400's. Times have changed. Not many computers back in the day. Slavery is gone, women can vote. All kinds of great technological advances. Our electoral system is a tad old school, don't you think?
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Old 08-19-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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Our electoral system is a tad old school, don't you think?

It's the "United States", it's not the "United People". The power of this country was always intended to remain with the states; the Senate, Electoral College and every state having an equal vote on amendments was not an accident. All of these things help insure larger populations in states like California and New York are not dictating to the rest of the country how it will be run at the federal level.



If it's not perfectly clear at this point perhaps this will help. If you want to get rid of the Electoral College or even the Senate you can do that if you get 38 states to agree with you.



One last point, just because Hillary won the popular vote during an election based on the Electoral College does not mean that would carry over to an election by popular vote. Conservative in CA and NY would have a reason to show up at the polls.... of course that would apply to red states as well with more Democrats showing up. Both the campaigns and vote totals change dramatically.
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