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Old 08-17-2019, 07:50 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Reasonable people seem to understand the Squad is no more representative of the Democrat Party than say, Rep Steve King is of the Republican Party.
Reasonable people are not Democrats.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:54 AM
 
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Yes, I think so. I've known several people - moderate Democrats - who will not vote for the Democrat candidate (after a lifetime of voting Democrat). Liberals have really waged war on Jews who support Israel to any degree or dare criticize the statements of a Muslim, and have called them all sorts of wicked names. (Even Nazis.) One liberal even told me that my mother must regret that she didn't abort her "Hitler child" (nice, huh?) because I criticized the BDS movement. How backward is THAT?!

The most telling was the incident with Omar, in which she accused Jews of buying off Congress with their "Benjamins." Pelosi and the Ds were so afraid of offending people by issuing a resolution condemning antisemitism that they had to water it down to the point that Omar said it was a resolution condemning Islamophobia! That's how much the Democrats had to hide their condemnation of Jew-hate. And if any Jew, like yours truly, criticized Omar, she was promptly called anti-Muslim. It's gotten so bad that they practically demand you side with the Muslims against Jews, even with the Muslim puts forth anti-Semitic tropes.
Exactly. Wage war on Jews = lose their votes.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Through out history, there seems to be a high percentage of Jewish people voting for the Democratic Party. My family is split up by many Republican Jews and some liberal Jewish people. My direct family members always voted for a Conservative. Many Jewish people I spoke with in the past were democrats, but now I have seen a change. Some seem to be afraid to admit their change of hearts but even on TV, I have seen Democratic Party members (Jewish) who no longer can stand behind Schumer, Pelosi, and the squad and their hate. Maybe we have to thank the squad for showing what the Democratic Party is about and I* believe from what I have been hearing lately, that more Jews will vote for Trump. Maybe not all will do so because they agree with everything, but many can no longer stand behind the Democratic Party that is overflowing of Anti-Semitism.
Wishful thinking and irrational logic on your part.

There are two Republican Jews in Congress. Why do you think that is?

You are speculating based on your own small circle, but when it comes to reality--Democrats elect Jews. Republican have not. What does that say to Jews about the Republican Party? So good luck with that 'big' shift you expect.

American Jews know what games Trump is playing and they don't want to be his pawns. They also know what being "banned" from countries mean.

So does the conservative group AIPAC.

"...Many Jewish Americans reject the President's transparent attempt to divert the country's attention from his own moral failings, just as we reject his attempts to politicize Israel and the rise of anti-Semitism. The President should recognize that Jews see his 280-characters of hate for what they are -- an utter lack of character on his part and a betrayal of the values that truly make America great. Jews have experienced the devastating consequences of hatred and intolerance throughout history and do not want to be used as political pawns in Trump's Twitter feed..."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/opini...fer/index.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...aib-israel-ban

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/...mp/1948692001/

https://thehill.com/policy/internati...el-decision-we

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Old 08-17-2019, 07:55 AM
 
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Reasonable people are not Democrats.
That's a pretty deplorable statement.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:57 AM
 
Location: USA
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But there's another decent sized population of Conservative Jews who traditionally voted Democrat (I did, back when they were normal) who have told me they cannot vote for the Party given how they are so tolerant of antisemitism. The most recent example was a local special election (county-wide), and the Democrat was a Muslim, whose campaign photo showed his wife standing next to him in traditional Muslim gear, and who had tweeted a few years prior that "people who donate to Israel are as bad as people who donate to the KKK." I had two Jewish women tell me they've never voted for an R in their life, but they did this time.
Well, that is good to hear, so maybe there is some hope. However, I do think the Secular Progressive "Jews" do outnumber the more conservative ones by a fairly large margin, but you are closer to it than I am.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:58 AM
 
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Wishful thinking and irrational logic on your part.

There are two Republican Jews in Congress. Why do you think that is?

You talk a good game, but when it comes to reality--Democrats elect Jews. Republican have not. So good luck with that 'big' shift you expect.

Jews know what games Trump is playing and they don't want to be his pawns. They also know what being "banned" from countries mean.

"...Many Jewish Americans reject the President's transparent attempt to divert the country's attention from his own moral failings, just as we reject his attempts to politicize Israel and the rise of anti-Semitism. The President should recognize that Jews see his 280-characters of hate for what they are -- an utter lack of character on his part and a betrayal of the values that truly make America great. Jews have experienced the devastating consequences of hatred and intolerance throughout history and do not want to be used as political pawns in Trump's Twitter feed..."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/opini...fer/index.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...aib-israel-ban
Huh? You quote opinion pieces from VOX and CNN? Very persuasive.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:59 AM
 
Location: USA
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Reasonable people are not Democrats.
The current policies promoted and embraced by the Democrats are NOT reasonable. Even many Democrats are now seeing this.
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Old 08-17-2019, 08:08 AM
 
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Well, that is good to hear, so maybe there is some hope. However, I do think the Secular Progressive "Jews" do outnumber the more conservative ones by a fairly large margin, but you are closer to it than I am.
Yup, about twice as many secular Jews as Conservative Jews. But the Conservative Jews are the ones who are splitting off to vote R next time. And it could make a difference in the swing states.

It seems the Democrats are busily pandering for the black vote while throwing the Jewish vote under the bus.
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Old 08-17-2019, 08:11 AM
 
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Reasonable people seem to understand the Squad is no more representative of the Democrat Party than say, Rep Steve King is of the Republican Party.
Reasonable people understand the Squad IS the Democrat Party, the party of slavery, KKK and racism.

What the Squad did wrong was that they said the quiet things out loud.
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Old 08-17-2019, 08:12 AM
 
Location: USA
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Yup, about twice as many secular Jews as Conservative Jews. But the Conservative Jews are the ones who are splitting off to vote R next time. And it could make a difference in the swing states.

It seems the Democrats are busily pandering for the black vote while throwing the Jewish vote under the bus.
Agreed. The Democrats have so embraced everything Muslim for what reason I don't know. Muslims are not only anti Jewish, but often anti American values. I think this is ultimately a losing path for the Democrats.

The Jihad Squad is a vocal, popular, and visible element of the Democrat Party, and the Party has to acknowledge and placate them, and they are doing just that.
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