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Old 08-21-2019, 11:21 AM
 
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This is disingenuous at best, and more like a great example of Trump's BS fake news. The shooter was "against" Trump because he didn't think Trump was enough of a bigot and allowed a k-word infestation.

And your hypocrisy is showing when you attack Omar and Tlaib but defend the disgusting antisemitic statements of Trump.

And btw, the state of Israel is not synonymous with being Jewish, although the righties always seem to think it is, and that's why they say hateful things like Jews are disloyal to America.
Anti-Semites see it as synonymous. They will view the Democrats' turn against Israel, and the hostility they demonstrate for it, as a sign that they have become victorious over the Jews - ESPECIALLY if the Hamas-led Palestinians and other Arabs succeed in wiping Israel out of existence.

And about the shooter - he said he was too supportive of the Jews. He was an anti-Semite enraged that we have a president who is supportive of Jews, and of Israel.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Will Jewish people walk away from Democrats? Just the opposite after Trump anti-Semitic tweet. I imagine most Jewish people will vote against those who are anti-Semitic which includes Trump.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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Will Jewish people walk away from Democrats? ....
Yes.



Got another question?
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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I'm saddened to see that you don't see the antisemitism in implying that Jewish people must be "loyal" to Israel (dual loyalties being one of the biggest antisemitic tropes on both sides of the aisle) or that there are "good Jews" who are determined, in this case, by a gentile. The idea that Jews must be loyal to earn safety suggests our dissent justifies violence against us.


Please direct me to where any Democratic Congressman or Congresswoman has said that they would like to see Israel annihilated. No need to attribute additional antisemitism when just quoting them on their words would be enough.
Oh, it bothers you that a gentile decides who is a "good Jew" Would it bother you to know that your fellow liberals have called me a "bad Jew," a Hitler child, and, most recently, "not a real Jew"? And why? Because I support Israel! How upside down is that?
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:25 AM
 
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Will Jewish people walk away from Democrats?

Of course not. Why would an American Jew join the Republicans, a party that includes white supremacists, skinheads, Nazis and Alt-Righters who blame Jews for the world's problems?
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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And he forgets to mention that the base for his boy Bibi is made of of MANY sects that don't support Israel either!

HBO's "Our Boys" is a great series on some of the dynamics involved.....but these sects, which are living in Israel and take full advantage of the protection of the government and others, not only don't fight in the military...but they believe they don't need to listen to the government. The Torah and Rabbi are their guide and, unlike many American religions, they don't believe in "respect the government AND your faith". Only one of those two....
Are you referring to the Haredim (ultra-Orthodox) or Chasidic Jews? Like the folks in Kiryas Joel, NY?

Oh, the Haredim and their exemptions from military service are a pretty controversial topic in Israel. There are a number of political parties in Israel, across different political spectrums, that want to do away with that exemption.

Well, the Haredi also have pull as well - and demographically, their high birthrate/large familes will pretty much ensure that they'll be important politically too - and that's no small thing given the fractured electoral politics of Israel and the need to build coalitions.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:37 AM
 
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Of course not. Why would an American Jew join the Republicans, a party that includes white supremacists, skinheads, Nazis and Alt-Righters who blame Jews for the world's problems?
You have more anti-Semitic Farrakhan followers in the Democrat party than the fringe white supremacists, Nazis, and skinheads on the alt-right, combined! But that's not the worst of it: You have ELECTED OFFICIALS right in the Democrat Party who are blatantly anti-Semitic, partner with anti-Semitic groups that libel Jews, and whom other Democrats are whitewashing.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:40 AM
 
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I'm saddened to see that you don't see the antisemitism in implying that Jewish people must be "loyal" to Israel (dual loyalties being one of the biggest antisemitic tropes on both sides of the aisle) or that there are "good Jews" who are determined, in this case, by a gentile. The idea that Jews must be loyal to earn safety suggests our dissent justifies violence against us.


Please direct me to where any Democratic Congressman or Congresswoman has said that they would like to see Israel annihilated. No need to attribute additional antisemitism when just quoting them on their words would be enough.
This is nonsense. Trump supposedly wants Jews to be certain way (pro-Israel, pro-Jewish) which is bad because if instead they are the other way (anti-Israel, anti-Jewish) it is good . That's some A-class propaganda the left is spinning this in to.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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Ah! I see.....so we were both right. He clarified it that Jews who vote for Democrats are being disloyal to the Jewish people and to Israel.

I don't see where that's wrong. We have alt-left Democratic Congresswomen proudly proclaiming their support for a movement that wants to see Israel annihilated, and that would definitely be to the detriment of Jews were it allowed to happen. We have Democratic Congresswomen being sponsored by an anti-Semitic group to go to "Palestine." We have Democratic Congresspeople saying they would consider cutting off aid to Israel.

I know several Jews who have always voted Democrat and are appalled. They are planning to vote for Trump.
'When you're stuck in a hole, stop digging.'


You know darn well that you considered Omar's 'dual loyalty' comment anti-Semitic in and of itself. Why not just say you're disappointed in Trump's comments, but his actions are supportive of Israel while the OmarTlaib coalition of Democrats work for its extinction.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:48 AM
 
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Democrats: Republicans being for 'dual loyalty' is bad and being against 'dual loyalty' is bad.

That's an argument you can't lose.
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