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Old 08-25-2019, 03:48 PM
 
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According to Pew research, Jewish support for the democratic party is down to 79%. The tide is turning!!!
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Old 08-25-2019, 03:53 PM
 
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Its more a question of being almost certain the GOP will do none of those things.

Most republicans don't give a rat's behind if there is some chronically ill person out there who can't afford health insurance. They think its "their problem" and they ought to "live with it".

Most republicans don't care about climate change. They think they can blissfully sit back while the weather gets warmer every summer, while the glaciers melt, while the oceans rise, and while hurricanes become more prevalent and pretend that all is well.

Most republicans stood by while Trump put Betsy DeVoss in the position of Secretary of Education. Betsy never attended a public school in her life and has no use for public schools.

Most republicans stood by seeing no evil, hearing no evil, and speaking no evil while Trump proceeded to insult Canada, Germany, France, and the previous prime minister of the UK. At the same time, they ignored the fact that even if he did nothing criminal he received assistance from Russia getting elected President.

Most republicans oppose a constitutional right to abortion even during the early stages of pregnancy. They are playing a game trying to get one more justice appointed to the Supreme Court. I suspect many are hoping Ruth Bader Ginsburg will die or retire from the Supreme Court this year.

Most republicans are upset the Supreme Court stated that gay people had a right to marry. They want to overturn that decision as much as they want to overturn Roe. v. Wade.

Our current president is nothing less than trash. He makes normal people sick. Even if the democrats do only 15% of what is hoped for its better than having the current individual president.
I think if we are being honest here, most republicans actually equals 99.5% of the GOP, so basically, all republicans. No need to say, "most."
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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According to Pew research, Jewish support for the democratic party is down to 79%. The tide is turning!!!
I heard talk host Dennis Prager talking about this recently. He said that most Jews in the US now are non-practicing. As I recall he said that they are "liberals first, Jews second," and that is his primary explanation for why so many remain loyal to the Democratic party, even in the face of Dem. anti-Semitism. I am not even Jewish, and the anti-Semitism has driven even me out of official membership.

Even so, I noticed recently that the local Rush Limbaugh station (KTTH AM 770) has starting at 12 noon Michael Medved, Jason Rantz (local host), Ben Shapiro, and finally Mark Levin from 9-midnight. All are Jewish. As someone posted earlier, there is a shift underway, but these things happen over decades, not overnight.
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:13 PM
 
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I heard talk host Dennis Prager talking about this recently. He said that most Jews in the US now are non-practicing. As I recall he said that they are "liberals first, Jews second," and that is his primary explanation for why so many remain loyal to the Democratic party, even in the face of Dem. anti-Semitism. I am not even Jewish, and the anti-Semitism has driven even me out of official membership.

Even so, I noticed recently that the local Rush Limbaugh station (KTTH AM 770) has starting at 12 noon Michael Medved, Jason Rantz (local host), Ben Shapiro, and finally Mark Levin from 9-midnight. All are Jewish. As someone posted earlier, there is a shift underway, but these things happen over decades, not overnight.
I don't think you understand the situation.

Most "conservative" Jew talk show hosts are simply entertainers...doing it for the money. This is the era where you can fake that you are one thing or another and make millions doing it.

The people you mention have zero to do with being Jewish and everything to do with being actors.

No shift is underway. From the start of time people have been paid to put forward certain opinions. As one guy said to Tucker (and he refused to air it)..."Y'all are Millionaires being paid by Billionaires to say what they want you to".

As far as "liberals first"...again, you don't get it. Our training means one must be a "liberal", just as a Jesuit Priest must help the poor and others. You could say the same thing about Quakers "Liberals and Pacifists first and Christians second"........but that would be just as crazy.

One thing informs the others.

"Tikkun olam ” (Hebrew for “world repair”) has come to connote social action and the pursuit of social justice. The phrase has origins in classical rabbinic literature and in Lurianic kabbalah, a major strand of Jewish mysticism originating with the work of the 16th-century kabbalist Isaac Luria."
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:19 PM
 
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Through out history, there seems to be a high percentage of Jewish people voting for the Democratic Party.

My family is split up by many Republican Jews and some liberal Jewish people.

My direct family members always voted for a Conservative.

Many Jewish people I spoke with in the past were democrats, but now I have seen a change. Some seem to be afraid to admit their change of hearts but even on TV, I have seen Democratic Party members (Jewish) who no longer can stand behind Schumer, Pelosi, and the squad and their hate.

Maybe we have to thank the squad for showing what the Democratic Party is about and I* believe from what I have been hearing lately, that more Jews will vote for Trump. Maybe not all will do so because they agree with everything, but many can no longer stand behind the Democratic Party that is overflowing of Anti-Semitism.
Has anyone yet mentioned the absurdity of believing that two newcomers to Congress represent the whole of the Democratic Party?

It would be far more pertinent to ask why more Republicans aren't abandoning Trump for his hate-mongering, which is far broader than anything from the two newbies, Tlaib and Omar.
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:21 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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LOL, You just don't understand do you. Americans don't want your kind of government that's why we have Mr. President Donald Trump.
If you support Trump - then you don't want any of the things that were listed. Because he is the complete opposite of all that.

And let's correct this record - TRUMP Americans don't want that - but REAL Americans do.
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:23 PM
 
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I heard talk host Dennis Prager talking about this recently. He said that most Jews in the US now are non-practicing. As I recall he said that they are "liberals first, Jews second," and that is his primary explanation for why so many remain loyal to the Democratic party, even in the face of Dem. anti-Semitism. I am not even Jewish, and the anti-Semitism has driven even me out of official membership.

Even so, I noticed recently that the local Rush Limbaugh station (KTTH AM 770) has starting at 12 noon Michael Medved, Jason Rantz (local host), Ben Shapiro, and finally Mark Levin from 9-midnight. All are Jewish. As someone posted earlier, there is a shift underway, but these things happen over decades, not overnight.
Right on target! For these non-practicing Jews, their liberalism trumps their Judaism. While there are always exceptions, that is why Reform Jews (yum, shrimp!) vote Dem and Orthodox vote Republican.

As to why the Democrats defend antisemitism among their own elected officials, or at the minimum tolerate it, (such as we see with Omar and Tlaib), the author of the piece linked below surmises it is precisely because Jews are so beholden to liberalism that the Dems feel they can get away with it. It's a calculation that they are more likely to save or capture the votes of the Jew-haters on the left (and there are MANY) by justifying or excusing away Democratic antisemites than they are to lose the votes of Jews on the left by failing to take a strong stand against Jew-hate.

Never was this more apparent than when Pelosi and crew were afraid to condemn antisemitism, or censure Omar, following her "Benjamin's" remark. They knew, unfortunate as it is, they they might anger their anti-Jew base were they to call her out, as was warranted, and, at the same time, knew that Jews would stick with them despite their watered down resolution (which, ironically, Omar described as a resolution condemning anti-Muslimism).

https://spectator.org/the-calming-fe...emocrat-party/
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:30 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Right on target! For these non-practicing Jews, their liberalism trumps their Judaism. While there are always exceptions, that is why Reform Jews (yum, shrimp!) vote Dem and Orthodox vote Republican.

As to why the Democrats defend antisemitism among their own elected officials, or at the minimum tolerate it, (such as we see with Omar and Tlaib), the author of the piece linked below surmises it is precisely because Jews are so beholden to liberalism that the Dems feel they can get away with it. It's a calculation that they are more likely to save or capture the votes of the Jew-haters on the left (and there are MANY) by justifying or excusing away Democratic antisemites than they are to lose the votes of Jews on the left by failing to take a strong stand against Jew-hate.

Never was this more apparent than when Pelosi and crew were afraid to condemn antisemitism, or censure Omar, following her "Benjamin's" remark. They knew, unfortunate as it is, they they might anger their anti-Jew base were they to call her out, as was warranted, and, at the same time, knew that Jews would stick with them despite their watered down resolution (which, ironically, Omar described as a resolution condemning anti-Muslimism).

https://spectator.org/the-calming-fe...emocrat-party/
Good lord. It is so tiring to hear you constantly berate Omar and Tlaib and consistently and blatantly ignore the complete antisemitism in your own party.

Trump: "Jews aren't loyal to ISRAEL". And not one peep out of you. In fact, you staunchly defended his statement.

It makes it really difficult to take your outrage seriously. It's quite selective.
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:42 PM
 
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Good lord. It is so tiring to hear you constantly berate Omar and Tlaib and consistently and blatantly ignore the complete antisemitism in your own party.

Trump: "Jews aren't loyal to ISRAEL". And not one peep out of you. In fact, you staunchly defended his statement.

It makes it really difficult to take your outrage seriously. It's quite selective.
And yet you're one who just claimed that people who voted for Trump aren't REAL Americans. If it upsets you when Democrats' loyalty is questioned, may be you shouldn't say that Republicans are disloyal to America! Talk about selective outrage.

And Trump never said Jews aren't loyal to Israel. He said that Jews who plan to vote for the Democrat are being disloyal, and that's due to the widespread anti-Israel movement within the D Party and the tolerance of antisemites among their elected officials.

And it's not Omar and Tlaib that concerns me, but the Dems reaction to them. They are perfectly fine having an adamant Israel-hater on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

And did you read the article I linked? Or were you so overly eager to condemn and insult a Jew who won't kowtow to the current liberal biases, which is now so adamantly anti-Israel that if a Jew defends it to any degree she is lambasted with despicable names?
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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I don't think you understand the situation.

Most "conservative" Jew talk show hosts are simply entertainers...doing it for the money. This is the era where you can fake that you are one thing or another and make millions doing it.

The people you mention have zero to do with being Jewish and everything to do with being actors.

No shift is underway. From the start of time people have been paid to put forward certain opinions. As one guy said to Tucker (and he refused to air it)..."Y'all are Millionaires being paid by Billionaires to say what they want you to".

As far as "liberals first"...again, you don't get it. Our training means one must be a "liberal", just as a Jesuit Priest must help the poor and others. You could say the same thing about Quakers "Liberals and Pacifists first and Christians second"........but that would be just as crazy.

One thing informs the others.

"Tikkun olam ” (Hebrew for “world repair”) has come to connote social action and the pursuit of social justice. The phrase has origins in classical rabbinic literature and in Lurianic kabbalah, a major strand of Jewish mysticism originating with the work of the 16th-century kabbalist Isaac Luria."
What would be your evidence, that (say) Michael Medved does not believe what he says and writes? You're basically accusing him of being a lying sack of stuff. What's your evidence of that?
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