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Old 08-17-2019, 01:48 PM
 
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Except the Republican Party didn't cave to Steve King. The Democrats ARE caving to the anti-Semitic Squad. Even Pelosi, a seasoned politician, was afraid to criticize Omar for her remarks about Jewish money buying power.
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Old 08-17-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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I must be a REGULAR Jew, too, coz I had a big bowl of whole wheat Cheerios for breakfast this morning!

Note to all: Please don't define us as "Regular Jews" vs "Fundamental Jews." Despite differences in politics, we are all Jews. Those whom you may call "fundamental Jews" are actually as "regular" a Jew as any other Jew. The only significant difference (to us Jews) is that some Jews are more Torah-observant than others.

Clearly, both Rachel976 and I are not entirely Torah-observant Jews, as here we are, both posting online on the Sabbath. Yet we appear to have some differences in our politics. Our political differences don't matter to me, as Rachel976 is still my Sister Jew.
Yes, Rachel. I know you to be kind, empathetic, and intelligent, and you and I could probably have some respectful discussions/debates about politics.I could explain why you're wrong, ha-ha!

We are definitely still sister Jews.
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Old 08-17-2019, 01:58 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Through out history, there seems to be a high percentage of Jewish people voting for the Democratic Party.

My family is split up by many Republican Jews and some liberal Jewish people.

My direct family members always voted for a Conservative.

Many Jewish people I spoke with in the past were democrats, but now I have seen a change. Some seem to be afraid to admit their change of hearts but even on TV, I have seen Democratic Party members (Jewish) who no longer can stand behind Schumer, Pelosi, and the squad and their hate.

Maybe we have to thank the squad for showing what the Democratic Party is about and I* believe from what I have been hearing lately, that more Jews will vote for Trump. Maybe not all will do so because they agree with everything, but many can no longer stand behind the Democratic Party that is overflowing of Anti-Semitism.
The Democratic Party has a history from the Civil War era of extreme, almost Balkanistic identity politics. The problem with identity politics is that in order to win a community's votes, you must have groups who supposedly need protection. In order to have groups who need protection, you must have danger, and in order to have danger, you must have villains.

Today the villains for the Democrats are Whites, Christians and males, for many years it was Blacks, and further back it was Yankee invaders and Abraham Lincoln.

But the problem for the Democrats as it relates to Jews is that as the Arab and Muslim population grows, there will be a rise in anti-Semitism in the Democratic Party. The Democrats try to have a big tent but eventually there will have to be a decision, which group, Jews or Muslims is more valuable for future of the party. We are already beginning to see that happening today.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:01 PM
 
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You can be against open borders and diversity and not against anyone. And criticizing people for example Jewish for being for open borders for America is being anti-open borders not anti-Jewish.

But labeling white people xenophobic, supremacist, racist, Nazi and Klan for being against open borders is being anti-white per se.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:01 PM
 
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The Democratic Party has a history from the Civil War era of extreme, almost Balkanistic identity politics. The problem with identity politics is that in order to win a community's votes, you must have groups who supposedly need protection. In order to have groups who need protection, you must have danger, and in order to have danger, you must have villains.

Today the villains for the Democrats are Whites, Christians and males, for many years it was Blacks, and further back it was Yankee invaders and Abraham Lincoln.

But the problem for the Democrats as it relates to Jews is that as the Arab and Muslim population grows, there will be a rise in anti-Semitism in the Democratic Party. The Democrats try to have a big tent but eventually there will have to be a decision, which group, Jews or Muslims is more valuable for future of the party. We already beginning to see that happening today.
It looks like they decided already.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Northern NJ/Amagansett, NY
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You can be against open borders and diversity and not against anyone. And criticizing people for example Jewish for being for open borders for America is being anti-open borders not anti-Jewish.

But labeling white people xenophobic, supremacist, racist, Nazi and Klan for being against open borders is being anti-white per se.
Again, I am Jewish. Have I ever written anything that would lead you to believe I am for open borders?

I am for a wall, drones, everify, and deportations. I think it should be illegal to rent an apartment to anyone who cant prove they are a legal resident. And prison for employers that hire illegals.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:37 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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It looks like they decided already.
Not yet.

Despite the rhetoric most Democrats are going to try to maintain the big tent, for now anyway.
The problem for the Democrats is that some SJWs on the far left keeps pushing this identity agenda to the extreme. Throughout history Jews have been a easy scapegoat, it would not surprise me if SJWs drive the party, or more likely large parts of it, increasingly anti-semitic. Or at the very least turn on Israel.

Off topic a bit. From a historical point of view, what the SJWs are doing to the Democratic Party reminds me of the extremism that overtook the French Revolution when the once allied Revolutionaries began to murder each other (by the guillotine no less!) for not being revolutionary enough. Even the Marquis de Lafayette, young French hero of the American Revolution, almost lost his head.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:40 PM
 
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When you basically have a two party system, it will make strange bedfellows. That's why its ridiculous to compare the Democrat or Republican dichotomy today to the situation decades ago. Yet, the same RWNJs constantly use this as a supposedly valid talking point.
My point is that people who hate each other can be in the same party. Just as Tammany Hall and the Jim Crow South stayed Democratic for a long time, die-hard-Israel-supporting-Jews and “the Squad” will stay Democratic for a long time.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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Through out history, there seems to be a high percentage of Jewish people voting for the Democratic Party.

My family is split up by many Republican Jews and some liberal Jewish people.

My direct family members always voted for a Conservative.

Many Jewish people I spoke with in the past were democrats, but now I have seen a change. Some seem to be afraid to admit their change of hearts but even on TV, I have seen Democratic Party members (Jewish) who no longer can stand behind Schumer, Pelosi, and the squad and their hate.

Maybe we have to thank the squad for showing what the Democratic Party is about and I* believe from what I have been hearing lately, that more Jews will vote for Trump. Maybe not all will do so because they agree with everything, but many can no longer stand behind the Democratic Party that is overflowing of Anti-Semitism.
American Jews lean Democratic more than 3:1. Trump's approval among Jews is only 31%, lower than his overall approval rating. If Jews are going to make a move toward the GOP, it certainly won't be led by Trump.
https://news.gallup.com/topic/catego..._politics.aspx

Face it, the only demographic that the Republican party leads in is older white males. That was enough to give Trump the win due to vagaries in the Electoral College system. But it is only a matter of time before the older white males also come around to reject the party of bigotry.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Reasonable people seem to understand the Squad is no more representative of the Democrat Party than say, Rep Steve King is of the Republican Party.
Republicans tried to censure King (AFAIK this was blocked by house dems) but he did get a 'disapproval resolution' which passed overwhelmingly. He has a primary challenger and is likely on his way out in 2020.

By contrast Democrats have done nothing to inhibit AOC and the squad. When Omar made her anti-Semitic remarks, talk of censure quickly evaporated.

So this is an apples/oranges comparison.
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