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Old 08-21-2019, 06:23 AM
 
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Hillary actually won bro, by 3 million votes. If the Russians hadn't helped trump and the republicans hadn't gerrymandered so many districts trump would be in jail. That's why trump thinks he won. Most of us know better
"Hillary actually won bro, by 3 million votes." When is her inauguration?

Well BRO, looks like you FAILED Civics 101!
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:27 AM
 
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Odd how Trey Gowdys 9 House Oversight Committe interrogations of mrs Clinton never brought this information to light ,IMO its just another rightwing bs story made to satiate an addiction to hate..
All together now =Lock her up..
"Odd how Trey Gowdys 9 House Oversight Committe interrogations of mrs Clinton never brought this information to light"


Odd how the obama admin slow walked EVERY subpoena and when they FINALLY provided the info it was so redacted you couldn't make hide nor hair out it.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:33 AM
 
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Keep on following Dan Bongyno fools.
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:06 AM
 
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American won when Hillary lost.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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how did the Russians help trump?


appears they colluded with Hillary and Obama to make trump fail.


So putin ignored the consensus that trump would lose?????????????????????????? Was Putin the only one in the whole wide world that thought Trump would win????????


So why did Obama let the Russians help trump?


Obama knew of their interference and warning trump not to contest when he lost the lection. It would be unpatriotic!


Putin could make a fortune on late night and sunday news shows with his uncanny acumen for predicting elections.


We do know for certain, the democrats rigged their own primary!


I call BS on any claim Russia tried to help Trump. Even from the federal agencies who tried to overthrow trump!
You can cry bs all you want but it doesn't make it so. It's obvious that you haven't read the Mueller report and you only see what you want to see. The Republican's came out and said that Russia interfered in our election to help Trump. That was almost two years ago. The Mueller report page 1 of the Mueller report:
"Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign."


Stubborn devotion to anyone be it a religious cult leader or a corrupt president is not a healthy mentality. Read The Report!
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:58 AM
 
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You can cry bs all you want but it doesn't make it so. It's obvious that you haven't read the Mueller report and you only see what you want to see. The Republican's came out and said that Russia interfered in our election to help Trump. That was almost two years ago. The Mueller report page 1 of the Mueller report:
"Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign."


Stubborn devotion to anyone be it a religious cult leader or a corrupt president is not a healthy mentality. Read The Report!


The Russians spent a completely insignificant about of money on social media ads that had no effect on the election.

The Russians didn't release any compromising information that they had.

And lastly, there was no attempt to collude with the Russians by anyone in the Trump campaign.

Like it or not, those are the facts.
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Old 08-22-2019, 04:47 AM
 
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The Russians spent a completely insignificant about of money on social media ads that had no effect on the election.

The Russians didn't release any compromising information that they had.

And lastly, there was no attempt to collude with the Russians by anyone in the Trump campaign.

Like it or not, those are the facts.
And ALL this happened under the Obama WATCH and the left NEVER wants to talk about THAT!

Like it or not, those are the facts!
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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The Russians spent a completely insignificant about of money on social media ads that had no effect on the election.

The Russians didn't release any compromising information that they had.

And lastly, there was no attempt to collude with the Russians by anyone in the Trump campaign.

Like it or not, those are the facts.
Read page 5 of the Mueller report where he talks about the social media campaign and the GRU hacking operation coinciding with "a series of contacts between Trump Campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government."
Read page 7 where Mueller talks about Manafort sharing internal polling data for some period of time.
Read page 8 where Mueller first describes obstruction and Trump's "efforts to curtail the Special Counsel's investigation and prevent the disclosure of evidence."
Page 9 describes that there isn't enough evidence for criminal charges, but it also explains why. The lies that "several" individuals told about interactions with Russians "materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.

Page 10 "Manafort lied to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for Ukraine."

Page 10 goes on to describe why Mueller couldn't make a case. People invoked their Fifth Amendment rights (wait, didn't Trump say that was for "the mob?") Other information was covered by legal privilege and was screened from investigators. Other information and witnesses were out of the country. (Yeah, I doubt very much that Russia will cooperate.) Others associated with the Trump campaign deleted relevant information, used apps that do not retain long term communications, and apps that use encryption. (Hence the FBI being involved with the counter intelligence. What were the results of that counter intelligence?)
"Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identifiable gaps, the Office can not rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on ( or cast in a new light) the events described in the report."
Michael Flynn's sentencing has been delayed yet again because of on going cooperation. Rick Gates sentence has been delayed yet again because of ongoing cooperation. Roger Stone and the Wikileaks connection is coming up for trial in October?
Page 15 of the Mueller report goes into detail how Russia had the ability to reach millions of people through social media. "Instagram accounts had hundreds of thousands of U.S. participants." IRA controlled Twitter accounts had "tens of thousands of followers, including multiple U.S. political figures who retweeted IRA- created accounts." "Facebook estimated that the IRA reached as many as 126 million persons through its Facebook accounts." Twitter notified approximately 1.4 million people that may have been involved with IRA controlled accounts.



So, how better to target disinformation and sway the 70,000 votes needed to win the electoral college? Hand over internal polling data to Russian spies that know how to bury evidence? Who should investigate these allegations? A special counsel with limited purview or our intelligence like the FBI?

Yep you are 100% correct that facts matter. Never forget that there is a court of law and the court of public opinion. Just because something hasn't been proven a crime doesn't mean it's okay. People get away with murder all the time because of insufficient evidence. Read the report!
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Old 08-22-2019, 01:02 PM
 
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Read page 5 of the Mueller report where he talks about the social media campaign and the GRU hacking operation coinciding with "a series of contacts between Trump Campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government."
Read page 7 where Mueller talks about Manafort sharing internal polling data for some period of time.
Read page 8 where Mueller first describes obstruction and Trump's "efforts to curtail the Special Counsel's investigation and prevent the disclosure of evidence."
Page 9 describes that there isn't enough evidence for criminal charges, but it also explains why. The lies that "several" individuals told about interactions with Russians "materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.

Page 10 "Manafort lied to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for Ukraine."

Page 10 goes on to describe why Mueller couldn't make a case. People invoked their Fifth Amendment rights (wait, didn't Trump say that was for "the mob?") Other information was covered by legal privilege and was screened from investigators. Other information and witnesses were out of the country. (Yeah, I doubt very much that Russia will cooperate.) Others associated with the Trump campaign deleted relevant information, used apps that do not retain long term communications, and apps that use encryption. (Hence the FBI being involved with the counter intelligence. What were the results of that counter intelligence?)
"Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identifiable gaps, the Office can not rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on ( or cast in a new light) the events described in the report."
Michael Flynn's sentencing has been delayed yet again because of on going cooperation. Rick Gates sentence has been delayed yet again because of ongoing cooperation. Roger Stone and the Wikileaks connection is coming up for trial in October?
Page 15 of the Mueller report goes into detail how Russia had the ability to reach millions of people through social media. "Instagram accounts had hundreds of thousands of U.S. participants." IRA controlled Twitter accounts had "tens of thousands of followers, including multiple U.S. political figures who retweeted IRA- created accounts." "Facebook estimated that the IRA reached as many as 126 million persons through its Facebook accounts." Twitter notified approximately 1.4 million people that may have been involved with IRA controlled accounts.



So, how better to target disinformation and sway the 70,000 votes needed to win the electoral college? Hand over internal polling data to Russian spies that know how to bury evidence? Who should investigate these allegations? A special counsel with limited purview or our intelligence like the FBI?

Yep you are 100% correct that facts matter. Never forget that there is a court of law and the court of public opinion. Just because something hasn't been proven a crime doesn't mean it's okay. People get away with murder all the time because of insufficient evidence. Read the report!
Mueller's report is clear that Russia helped Trump.

Trump and his campaign people welcomed the help.

No evidence of any contact with the FBI over this.

Ton of lies told about contacts with Russians. Extensive evidence of obstruction of justice into this investigation was documented.

Then we have Trump handing classified information to Kislyak and Lavrov in the Oval Office and who knows what he's passing on to Putin in their half dozen conversations of which there is no record, not transcripts. This is a violation of the law.

Somehow, this seems far more important than Clinton's emails.
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Old 08-22-2019, 01:04 PM
 
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Everyone who has watched Fox News for the past two years has known about China getting courtesy copies of every Clinton email. Also foreign governments hacked her unprotected private server.

I've always suspected it was a way for Hillary to sell secrets and access while playing innocent. You know, like 'forgetting' to lock your house full of insured jewelry, then making announcements about going out of town on vacation for a few weeks. Then coming back to find out you were robbed and making a big insurance claim.
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