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Old 08-18-2019, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Japan
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Time machine JFK would be appalled by the 2019 Democratic Party. A Gen X version of JFK in national politics today would certainly be a Democrat, but would find it a lot harder to get the Party's nomination.
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Old 08-19-2019, 03:17 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Every single one.

“If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.”


At the time he said this, the "new ideas" he was referring to were still new ideas.

Since then, most of those "new ideas" have been implemented and subsequently failed to one degree or another.

Today, to look "ahead and not behind" is to ignore all the "new ideas" that did not deliver on what they promised and to fail to learn what their failure should teach us.

The first lesson we ought to learn from past governmental interventions is that the state, though created by the people, tends to seek its own interests.

For this reason, problems that involve government solutions often create a situation that is worse than the one that was supposed to be corrected by the government's intervention.

Our political parties also seek their own interests.

The Democratic Party, in Kennedy's time, was the party of working America.

After the civil rights era, Democrats were less in love with their white working class base because they were, according to the theory, the cause of black voter's problems.

Moreover, men, according to the Democrat's emerging wing of radical feminists, became the cause of most or all of women's problems.

For an organization that depends on votes for its very existence, the low-hanging fruit of the growing disgruntled classes, already in the Democrat's corner, became an end to itself.

The inherent conflict between the disgruntled classes and white males was easily resolved by simply rejecting all non-apologetic, non-self-loathing white males.

Working white-males and the women that married them no longer had a political home, and while not wealthy, they nevertheless settled into the Republican Party, the rich man's party, because they had nowhere else to go.

Over time, the working-class Republicans became a more influential voice within the Republican ranks.

Reagan successfully ran against the party from within in 1976 and 1980 and established a trend that would repeat with the Perot candidacy, the Tea Party movement and the election of Donald J. Trump.

We now have two political parties in this country.

One is the anti-white-male party and the other is the white-male tolerant party.

It's hard to say if JFK would have remained a Democrat once it became obvious that their only reason for continuing to exist was to exist for its own benefit.
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Old 08-19-2019, 04:08 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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To be fair, JFK admired Hitler. JFK pushed hard to lower taxes to promote economic-growth. And even though he pushed for immigration, this was necessary to spread America's influence and battle the forces of communism. JFK was a statesman, not an ideologue. JFK, Teddy Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan were probably the most-patriotic presidents of the 20th century.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39371715
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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To be fair, JFK admired Hitler. JFK pushed hard to lower taxes to promote economic-growth. And even though he pushed for immigration, this was necessary to spread America's influence and battle the forces of communism. JFK was a statesman, not an ideologue. JFK, Teddy Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan were probably the most-patriotic presidents of the 20th century.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39371715
What about Truman, he helped (or his administration at least) stabilize the new global economic system, the Bretton Woods Agreement, and the Marshal Plan to place US protection of commerce and global development forward.

sure the economic system has changed since then, but if patriotism is about national power, then it must count at some level.
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Old 08-20-2019, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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I think Nixon would be a Democrat now. The Republican party has moved much further to the right since that era.
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Old 08-20-2019, 01:00 PM
 
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Time and again Republicans like to say JFK would be a Republican today. It's simply not true. Here is a well known JFK quote:

“If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.”
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/906...ho-looks-ahead

What Republican would say that?
What you have presented is the OPPOSITE of contemporary liberals and liberalism. All today's liberals want to do is bring us back to the dark ages, while promoting all that is destructive.
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Old 08-20-2019, 05:44 PM
Status: "but it depends on what the definition of "is" is." (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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He said all tax payers. Do you think all tax payers were paying a 90% rate?

I know many on the left would love to see everyone oay 90%, but you clearly are ignorant on this subject.
The 90% (actually 91%) was more or less a fiction. Nobody actually paid that rate. The entire tax structure was different with, for example, deductions of credit card interest. According to left-liberal econ darlings Saez and Piketty, the tax structure then was only slightly more progressive (i.e. rich pay more) than it is now.

When people cite the 91% rate under Ike, usually they have no idea whereof they speak. If you hear someone cite 91% with no further context, you can immediately know that you're dealing with an idiot.
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Old 08-20-2019, 05:48 PM
Status: "but it depends on what the definition of "is" is." (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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JFK was above all a stalwart anti-communist. He tried to invade Cuba.

Today's Democrats openly run on socialism. The #2 presidential candidate currently is a self-described socialist.
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Old 08-20-2019, 06:23 PM
 
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Trying to claim that long-dead Democratic Presidents would be Republicans if they were alive today is pure gaslighting to cloud the fact that the Republican Party under Donald Trump has drifted so far to the Alt-Eight and into the open embrace of White Grievance Politics.
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Old 08-20-2019, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Lazy bum infested USA
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Lincoln was pro-African American. Definitely a Democrat by today’s standards.
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