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Old Today, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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The Feds might roll back or stall the demands put on auto makers to make their engines do more on less fuel but why not let the market decide?

Who really needs a truck or car with a high horse power output to go sit in traffic on the way to work?



If a car company can strike a balance between performance and fuel economy people will flock to buy their product.



They say that Trump is an enemy of renewable energy sources but no one is saying that research and implementation of say a solar of wind facility cannot go forward.



Just because the Feds are relaxing the standards does not mean that the car companies cannot continue to move forward in making better cars.
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Old Today, 07:25 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The premise that SAFE puts forth is that if gas is cheap we will drive more and therefor have more accidents. IDK. Ten more bucks in my pocket is not going to spur me to drive more. I mean I am not going to wake up and say lets go for a drive today because its cheap.
Not in big Cities where the traffic sucks that is for sure.
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Old Today, 07:25 AM
 
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The Feds might roll back or stall the demands put on auto makers to make their engines do more on less fuel but why not let the market decide?

Who really needs a truck or car with a high horse power output to go sit in traffic on the way to work?



If a car company can strike a balance between performance and fuel economy people will flock to buy their product.



They say that Trump is an enemy of renewable energy sources but no one is saying that research and implementation of say a solar of wind facility cannot go forward.



Just because the Feds are relaxing the standards does not mean that the car companies cannot continue to move forward in making better cars.
that's right. they are completely free to pursue the highest MPG standards they want. no one is stopping them.
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Old Today, 08:26 AM
 
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With all the dictates and requirements the state places on the design of vehicles, and since we're almost there anyway, maybe just quit the ***** footing around and come out with a standardized transportation pod.
We can call it the Liberty Car; built to exacting govt standards in unionized public sector plants,with R&D provided by experts from the various govt agencies. Citizens can choose from an array of colors,two or four door version in either electric or single cylinder IC.
Specially equipped "Hero" models will be auto shipped to local municipalities, with features such as license plate scanners, breathalyzers, drug sniffing dog compartment, back seat cage, automatic weapon rack, etc.

America, leading the free world in capitalism

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Old Today, 08:32 AM
 
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That assumes that somehow the magic technology to get a CAFE of 50mpg actually existed. We had an utterly clueless fool in the WH that had no understanding of science, technology or physics that implemented those standards in the first place. Standards that the industry had no way to achieve. It was an idiotic standard-but made a fool look like he was "doing something". Which of course appealed to his supporters.
That was my take, although it's kind of harsh. No doubt some 'expert' sold the White House on the project.

I look at it all as Peak ICE. These last generations of internal combustion engine are going to be insanely complicated with problematic life spans due to .gov regs. It'll be easy to have a mechanical failure that totals out the car, direct injection being just one example.

I sure wish they'd hurry and improve battery technology and pricing just a bit.
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Old Today, 08:37 AM
 
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With all the dictates and requirements the state places on the design of vehicles, and since we're almost there anyway, maybe just quit the ***** footing around and come out with a standardized transportation pod.
We can call it the Liberty Car; built to exacting govt standards in unionized public sector plants,with R&D provided by experts from the various govt agencies. Citizens can choose from an array of colors in two or four door version in either electric or single cylinder IC.
Specially equipped "Hero" models will be auto shipped to local municipalities, with features such as license plate scanners, breathalyzers, drug sniffing dog compartment, back seat cage, automatic weapon rack, etc.

America, leading the free world in capitalism
That's brilliant. You can reserve one for only a few Reichsmarks per month.

I'm starting to think the same thing about housing. In California, the accreted burden of building code will imply engineering only a few allowed plans in some decades.
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Old Today, 08:53 AM
 
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That's brilliant. You can reserve one for only a few Reichsmarks per month.

I'm starting to think the same thing about housing. In California, the accreted burden of building code will imply engineering only a few allowed plans in some decades.
And they'll really fly off the dealers lots (albiet at a governed 55mph max) once the fed rolls out no money down negative interest rate financing.
Crony Motors, where we pay you to take the car!
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Old Today, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The Feds might roll back or stall the demands put on auto makers to make their engines do more on less fuel but why not let the market decide?

Who really needs a truck or car with a high horse power output to go sit in traffic on the way to work?



If a car company can strike a balance between performance and fuel economy people will flock to buy their product.



They say that Trump is an enemy of renewable energy sources but no one is saying that research and implementation of say a solar of wind facility cannot go forward.



Just because the Feds are relaxing the standards does not mean that the car companies cannot continue to move forward in making better cars.
If it wasn’t impacting climate change or making us more dependent on limited sources that would be fine. The market didn’t decide we needed to reduce lead in the atmosphere when it comes to cars.

Many good reasons for increased fuel economy.
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Old Today, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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that's right. they are completely free to pursue the highest MPG standards they want. no one is stopping them.
No they are not. Crooked E-pee-A forces the installation of all kinds of parasitic pollution equipment on new vehicles in the USA based on their measuring of pollution being "per unit of fuel burned" instead of like Europe which measures "pollution per mile". As a result we are not allowed the super high efficiency diesels and lean burn gasoline engines other countries have that would see over 60mpg highway in compact cars.
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