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Old 08-19-2019, 01:32 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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So you exposed the vast loopholes (our "honor" system and our legal system) that allow millions to drive a truck through them.....

Perfect reasoning why strict background checks, licensing and registration are needed. If my weapon is to be used only for defense and hunting, why would I be concerned about those?
Every firearm bought through a dealer is already registered and a bgc performed.

You can never regulate private sales of firearms. Impossible.
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:18 PM
 
Location: NJ
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So this is a good step forward, people are aware they have a duty when someone tells them clearly it's their intent to blow up a bunch of people, and they have the firepower to do it, to report them.

But now, what? What do you do with people who have clearly announced their intent, and stockpiled the necessary weapons, but haven't acted on it quite yet?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/18/us/th...led/index.html
so reducing mag cap to 10 rounds and background checks caught the, three to be, wack jobs?????


give us more gun regs past the point of diminishing return!!!!
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Nevada
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So this is a good step forward, people are aware they have a duty when someone tells them clearly it's their intent to blow up a bunch of people, and they have the firepower to do it, to report them.

But now, what? What do you do with people who have clearly announced their intent, and stockpiled the necessary weapons, but haven't acted on it quite yet?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/18/us/th...led/index.html

Sounds like those individuals have some serious mental problems. If somebody wanted to commit a horrific crime of any kind and were serious about it they would not tell the whole world about it on social media. It sounds like they just wanted some attention, and they got it.

As to the question about what to do with people who post threats on social media and their weapons (if they have any) that's a tough question to answer, it all depends on various factors, previous treatment for mental illness, criminal records, etc. If they didn't have any history of mental issues or criminal records, surveying them for a time would be helpful, but it may not be 100% effective. The only way to deal with such individuals is arm yourself and be ready to act when it becomes necessary. A psychotic mass shooter will only choose gun-free zones because he knows nobody will be armed.
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:50 PM
 
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Every firearm bought through a dealer is already registered and a bgc performed.

You can never regulate private sales of firearms. Impossible.
Yes you can, in the same way we regulate Rx drug sales.

It's not all perfect, and the black market has drugs for sale, but at least you could make that a crime in and of itself, and prosecute it.

Anyone buying a gun - from ANYWHERE - and possessing a gun, should have a background check and be subject to an interview. IMHO.

AND, you can make it a mandatory reporting offense, for anyone who has knowledge that someone is planning a mass murder must report it.
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Old 08-19-2019, 03:01 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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If they are likely to kill people, they should be locked in a psych ward.

Would you feel better if your kids were stabbed to death or run over and killed instant of being shot to death?
"About 5% of homicides are committed by people with psychotic conditions."
https://www.medpagetoday.com/psychia...ychiatry/76884

"The majority of violent crimes and homicides are committed by people who do not have mental health problems. In fact people with severe mental illnesses are more likely to be victims, rather than perpetrators, of violent crime."
https://www.time-to-change.org.uk/me...ealth-problems


"About 40 percent of convicted murderers had used alcohol before or during the crime."
https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/

"Drug and alcohol abuse are much more important factors than, say, schizophrenia" in regards to American homicides.
https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/180005...mental-illness

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Old 08-19-2019, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte, FL - Pasadena, People's Republic of Maryland
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Because once again, we are talking about a right and you shouldn't have to be licensed and registered to use a right. Do you want those requirements to be applied to the rest of the Bill of Rights?......
Can you imagine the outcry if each and every post on social media had to be reviewed and okayed by the Government prior to posting? It seems like many are ok with the 2nd Amendment being restricted but not the first. Better yet, mention that any news reported by the press be reviewed prior to being reported to the people and watch the citizenry go nuts (rightly so)!
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Old 08-19-2019, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Well, for those 3...there are least 300 more in the planning stage as we speak. There is no possible scenario where they can be stopped.

It's only a question of when and where. Sad, really, that the real problems aren't being solved on an emergency basis. All of society and government goes wild when, for example, it is rumored that X (drug) killed ONE person (it didn't, dehydration did)......they make it a bigger crime and warn of the terrible dangers.

Then they all stand mute when their children are shot up in elementary school.

As one person remarked, a country that no longer cares about their children being mass murdered is not going anywhere....I fully agree. That's a line that most nations would not cross.

But they do care. That is why ALERRT
https://alerrt.org/
exists, why it has existed.


They just may not be responding as others, such as those on this thread, demand.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:21 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Yes you can, in the same way we regulate Rx drug sales.

It's not all perfect, and the black market has drugs for sale, but at least you could make that a crime in and of itself, and prosecute it.

Anyone buying a gun - from ANYWHERE - and possessing a gun, should have a background check and be subject to an interview. IMHO.

AND, you can make it a mandatory reporting offense, for anyone who has knowledge that someone is planning a mass murder must report it.
Most States already have a law against private sales. Guess how that is turning out? So no, show us proof you can regulate private sales of firearms because I live in a State it's illegal and I know it happens ALL the time and I've never heard of anyone I know getting busted.

Besides what MSM tells you what proof do you have that it works. Because it doesn't. Two guys that even barely know each other aren't going to shell out up to 150 dollars to give to the Govt to swap a firearm. NOT ...GONNA...HAPPEN.

As far as prosecution, more guns were made before any type of tracking began. Please do tell how we pin a "charge" on someone with a gun not in the system. Once the sale is made it's totally legal. The transaction isn't but it's up to your inept Govt to prove it and they can't.

How would you prosecute someone for having a thought? This guy knew it was going to happen. That's straight up crystal ball stuff. Bob had to have known Jim was going postal so he needs to be charged with a felony and jailed.

You need to really think about what you would like to happen cause that's pretty nutty.

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Old 08-20-2019, 07:35 PM
 
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I don't know what will happen either.

It seems there could be a law that those who are deemed dangerous, by their behavior of accruing weapons, and by their statements of wanting to be a mass murderer, should be banned from getting more guns. So, although they don't have a criminal record, this type of thing can be red-flagged so they can't buy guns legally again, nor can they legally be given access to guns by family members.

The kind of thing we do with sex offenders whose only crime is possession of images of child porn, that they did not create. Family can be warned that they can't make their assault weapons available to this person, in the same way that children can't be made available to people who have been arrested for possessing kiddie porn.

I think few are as staunch a defender of the first amendment than I am - but this isn't about freedom of speech. This is about noticing who is telling everyone they want to kill people, and has the means to do it. Just as pedophiles with child porn are viewed as dangerous to children and steps are taken to keep them from acting on their desire.
Do you realize, if such regulations and laws had been in place at the time of the nations founding, they would have probably labelled all the historical patriots, as possible terrorists and the American revolution would have never happened!!!
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Old Today, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Two of these in Missouri - within two days:
https://www.kshb.com/news/state/miss...-mass-shooting
https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news...n-social-media
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