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Old Yesterday, 06:20 PM
 
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So this is a good step forward, people are aware they have a duty when someone tells them clearly it's their intent to blow up a bunch of people, and they have the firepower to do it, to report them.

But now, what? What do you do with people who have clearly announced their intent, and stockpiled the necessary weapons, but haven't acted on it quite yet?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/18/us/th...led/index.html
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Old Yesterday, 06:34 PM
 
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Well, looking in my crystal ball folks need to keep their mouths shut because any innocent word will be reported and employers, as always, will respond with firing your arse even if authorities will have no interests in psychoanalyzing your water cooler conversations and such.
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Old Yesterday, 06:35 PM
 
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Well, that's when they should get sent off to the funny farm. But, we know that won't happen.
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Old Yesterday, 06:41 PM
 
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you know, "kill the quarterback"
and, "kill the messenger", and
"kill the power" will be in
a database somewhere.
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Old Yesterday, 06:43 PM
 
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Well, that's when they should get sent off to the funny farm. But, we know that won't happen.
I don't know what will happen either.

It seems there could be a law that those who are deemed dangerous, by their behavior of accruing weapons, and by their statements of wanting to be a mass murderer, should be banned from getting more guns. So, although they don't have a criminal record, this type of thing can be red-flagged so they can't buy guns legally again, nor can they legally be given access to guns by family members.

The kind of thing we do with sex offenders whose only crime is possession of images of child porn, that they did not create. Family can be warned that they can't make their assault weapons available to this person, in the same way that children can't be made available to people who have been arrested for possessing kiddie porn.

I think few are as staunch a defender of the first amendment than I am - but this isn't about freedom of speech. This is about noticing who is telling everyone they want to kill people, and has the means to do it. Just as pedophiles with child porn are viewed as dangerous to children and steps are taken to keep them from acting on their desire.
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Old Yesterday, 06:43 PM
 
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you know, "kill the quarterback"
and, "kill the messenger", and
"kill the power" will be in
a database somewhere.
What about, 'oh, shoot!'?
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Old Yesterday, 06:45 PM
 
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I don't know what will happen either.

It seems there could be a law that those who are deemed dangerous, by their behavior of accruing weapons, and by their statements of wanting to be a mass murderer, should be banned from getting more guns. So, although they don't have a criminal record, this type of thing can be red-flagged so they can't buy guns legally again, nor can they legally be given access to guns by family members. The kind of thing we do with sex offenders. Family is warned that they can't make their assault weapons available to this person, in the same way that children can't be made available to people who have been arrested for having kiddie porn.

I think few are as staunch a defender of the first amendment than I am - but this isn't about freedom of speech. This is about noticing who is telling everyone they want to kill people, and have the means to do it. Just as pedophiles with child porn are viewed as dangerous to children.
If they are likely to kill people, they should be locked in a psych ward.

Would you feel better if your kids were stabbed to death or run over and killed instant of being shot to death?
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Old Yesterday, 06:52 PM
 
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So this is a good step forward, people are aware they have a duty when someone tells them clearly it's their intent to blow up a bunch of people, and they have the firepower to do it, to report them.

But now, what? What do you do with people who have clearly announced their intent, and stockpiled the necessary weapons, but haven't acted on it quite yet?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/18/us/th...led/index.html
Minority Report..a pre-crime so give him a pre-trial and a pre-prison sentence.
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Old Yesterday, 06:53 PM
 
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you know, "kill the quarterback"
and, "kill the messenger", and
"kill the power" will be in
a database somewhere.
I'm pretty sure we have the ability to sort out those kinds of messages, vs. the ones with real intent to slaughter.

We would have to abandon the idiocy that we practice in schools, with zero tolerance of weapons so that kids bringing butter knives in their lunch boxes or boys on the baseball team having bats in their lockers are treated like potential felons.

But we are better than this, as a country. Our court systems can weed through ridiculous charges and deal with those have intent to slaughter.
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Old Yesterday, 06:54 PM
 
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If they are likely to kill people, they should be locked in a psych ward.

Would you feel better if your kids were stabbed to death or run over and killed instant of being shot to death?
Not all murderers would qualify as a nut job.
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