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Old 08-19-2019, 02:58 PM
 
Location: USA
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Trump hate, trumps reality. They're delusional.
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:59 PM
 
Location: USA
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Secular Jews are leftists to the core.
Extremely so. Even other Jews think so.
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Old 08-19-2019, 03:03 PM
Status: "but it depends on what the definition of "is" is." (set 23 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Why do people call Trump antiSemitic? Because of much of what he has said and done as the real Trump, not the moment-in-time screenshot of the last two years.

https://theweek.com/articles/835714/...aid-about-jews

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From the lede of your link, where the hardest hitting accusation of anti-Semitism against Trump might be expected to be found:

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In a speech before the Republican Jewish Coalition in April, he[Trump] said that recently reelected Benjamin Netanyahu was "your prime minister." Instead of implying dual loyalty, he all but said Jews aren't actually Americans at all, because they have single loyalty to Israel. As Josh Marshall writes, it's "as though American Jews are somehow an expat community of Israelis resident in the United States."
LOLOL--Israel was created in 1948 as a haven for all Jews following the Holocaust. In that sense, the Israeli PM is indeed the PM for all Jews. That's probably all Trump meant.

Then the writer goes on to shamelessly stuff words in Trump's mouth, saying "he all but said Jews aren't actually Americans at all." He said no such thing, not explicitly or implicitly. The practice of shoving words into others' mouths is despicable and dishonest. Enigma, you should really apologize for even having posted such a link. Give an actual anti-Semitic quote from Trump, or retract your slander.
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Old 08-19-2019, 03:04 PM
 
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What news conference? Did one of the antisemites speak? What did she say?
Never mind. I just saw it. Ugh.
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Old 08-19-2019, 03:09 PM
 
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Let me introduce you to Rep. Tlaib.
Who claims the holocaust gives her a calming feeling.
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Old 08-19-2019, 03:16 PM
 
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As a Jew myself. I donít know how anyone can think this way?
...
They are right, of course.
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Old 08-19-2019, 03:17 PM
Status: "but it depends on what the definition of "is" is." (set 23 days ago)
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Originally Posted by elvis44102 View Post
one cannot label any group as all the same...


since the beginning of the modern Zionist movement to establish Israel i believe there were those who exposed assimilation over establishment of an actual piece of property..one Zionist selling point was the "watering down" of the Jewish religion that comes from assimilation..by the way i was raised catholic but do not really observe any catholic rituals


if one reads some history you will find strange bedfellows indeed working with the Zionist movement..Adolph Eichmann was quoted in the 30s as saying he admired the Zionist and if he was Jewish he would be a Zionist..(this before extermination became prevalent) i understand the need for a strong Israel if it is to exists surrounded by enemies as it is..


what im saying is perhaps the lefty jews are more concerned with their home in America and understand what for all practical purposes seems the "religious nature of Israels very founding
Another 'strange bedfellow' was Stalin, who was generally anti-Semitic but lent a brief helping hand to the creation of Israel. Many of the founders of Israel were socialists, so he thought it would mean another socialist state in the world. And he probably wanted to decrease British influence in the Mid East. IIRC he arranged for a timely shipment of Czech arms without which nascent Israel might not have survived.

This happens all the time in politics. There's a reason why 'strange bedfellows' is a such a common clichť.
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Old 08-22-2019, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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As a Jew myself. I donít know how anyone can think this way?
They are religious Jewish people who call Trump who supports Israel and who has a Jewish daughter, son in law, and grandchildren, anti semetic but defend Omar and Tlaib who donít support Israel and the Jewish people?

Your relatives are wrong. And if, as Jews, they're apologists for the many anti-Semitic statements made, I just don't know what to say.
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Old 08-22-2019, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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Your relatives are wrong. And if, as Jews, they're apologists for the many anti-Semitic statements made, I just don't know what to say.

The only apologists here are those making excuses for Trump.


Yes, Tlaib and Omar have said antisemitic things. There was a reaction from the DNC and they apologized. They may still be antisemites, but they are also two freshman Congresswomen who have faced a ton of backlash from their own party.



As a member of that party, I called them out, but I also am unwilling to accept those who turn their criticism against their statements into an Islamaphobic, xenophobic circle jerk.


Where are the voices on the right calling for Trump to apologize? I'm not seeing them.
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Old 08-22-2019, 03:24 PM
 
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Extremely so. Even other Jews think so.
Lots of killing and carnage in the name of religion after all over the centuries and millenia
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