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Old 08-20-2019, 06:46 AM
 
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Just responding to the point that we cant raise taxes on corporations because they are passed to the consumer, that should work both ways if true.


We would have more to show for our dollars if they invested in infrastructure rather than a cut.


Here we go again, proposal to cut payroll taxes because of looming recession. Yet another reason we should not have cut taxes in 2017 when the economy was hot.





https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/b...p-economy.html
No, you're misding the point all together.

Liberals have been calling for more taxes before any tax reform. The majority of those would be passed on to the consumer.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:05 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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No, you're misding the point all together.

Liberals have been calling for more taxes before any tax reform. The majority of those would be passed on to the consumer.
Then where are my price cuts from the 1/3 reduction in corp income taxes?
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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It is very much the responsibility of our governement to protect US business interests when another country is allowing companies inside their borders to steal. In particular if we have trade agreements with them. You are touting capitalism, the cornerstone of capitalism is the protection IP. Without it capitalism dies.
It's not the responsibility of "our" government to interfere in the affairs of private business. The use of the term "US business interests" implies that said businesses are State-owned--which implies that you are advocating for socialism.

Oh--and IP is a sham.

https://mises.org/library/case-against-ip-concise-guide

https://mises.org/library/fight-agai...ctual-property
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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No, you're misding the point all together.

Liberals have been calling for more taxes before any tax reform. The majority of those would be passed on to the consumer.

You are missing the point, where did these corporate tax cuts get passed to tax payers.
Just addressing corporate tax cuts that were supposedly "tax reform".


Unless the republicans can come up with any meaningful spending cuts then yes we need to increase taxes to cover our spending, we have been cutting taxes since 2003 under Bush and Obama and here we are now with yet another tax cut and no spending cuts.
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Texas
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And liberals want US corp taxes raised
Rational minds grasp that megacorps like GE and Amazon paying $0 in taxes is fubar.

So, yeah...

They should pay more than I do.

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Old 08-20-2019, 08:30 AM
 
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"Liberals" actually want the thing that "conservatives" falsely put forward....that is, a balanced budget and too stop increasing the debt.

This will be tougher now because Trump locked in about a decade or more of trillion dollar deficits.
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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It's not the responsibility of "our" government to interfere in the affairs of private business. The use of the term "US business interests" implies that said businesses are State-owned--which implies that you are advocating for socialism.

Oh--and IP is a sham.
Oh, so "property" is sacred...but if I want to use Hendrix videos and make a movie to make $$$ off of, I should just do it?

Or, I should be able to take any hit song off the radio and then sell or rent it to other companies for 1/2 the price the artists agency is charging...and pay nothing to the artist since IP is a sham.

Fail.
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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"Liberals" actually want the thing that "conservatives" falsely put forward....that is, a balanced budget and too stop increasing the debt.

This will be tougher now because Trump locked in about a decade or more of trillion dollar deficits.
What is a balanced budget except an excuse to rob and redistribute equal amounts?
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:34 AM
 
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Oh, so "property" is sacred...but if I want to use Hendrix videos and make a movie to make $$$ off of, I should just do it?

Or, I should be able to take any hit song off the radio and then sell or rent it to other companies for 1/2 the price the artists agency is charging...and pay nothing to the artist since IP is a sham.

Fail.
yes. You still aren't Hendrix
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Old 08-20-2019, 08:36 AM
 
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No, you're misding the point all together.

Liberals have been calling for more taxes before any tax reform. The majority of those would be passed on to the consumer.
Of course we are calling for more taxes...isn't that the exact same thing as "balancing the budget"???

Words matter.

Glad to hear you admit that liberals are the real party of fiscal conservatism...but, at the same time, the GOP has set up back so many decades that it is likely hopeless now. Only a full-on liberal government could possibly bring down the deficit now.

The GOP just figures they (personally) won't be around when the bill comes due. Money NOW is more important then their children and grandchildren.

But the bill is already due and being paid....that 500 Billion a year just on interest could be used for some amazing US accomplishments.
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