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Old Yesterday, 10:35 PM
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Wasn't the INF Treaty just on land-based missiles? The article doesn't say that.

Honestly I can't see the point of a lot of these USA-USSR arms treaties at this point. The world has changed a lot and agreements that didn't figure China into the arrangement are probably fairly worthless at this point.
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Old Today, 04:07 AM
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Well seems that Russia kicked it off by launching the failed nuclear-powered cruise missile SCC-X-9 Skyfall that killed 7 people and caused a radiation levels nearby to climb to 16-times higher the normal so better we can develop updated technology too shoot these down overseas before they can do any damage.
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Old Today, 04:38 AM
Location: the Sticks
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Actually I am a bit shocked. The Tomahawk is proven technology and reliable. This is so unlike the Fed and the military these days. I would have expected them to invest a trillion dollars or so to reinvent the missile. Then come up with something that kind of looks cool but doesn't really do anything better than the old stuff, and it likes to be unusable most of the time. Gee like the amazing F-35 and the even more amazing Ford Class Carrier and the even more amazing Literal combat ships.
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Old Today, 04:52 AM
Location: Great Britain
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Originally Posted by reed067 View Post
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. military has conducted a flight test of a type of missile banned for more than 30 years by a treaty that both the United States and Russia abandoned this month, the Pentagon said.

The test off the coast of California on Sunday marked the resumption of an arms competition that some analysts worry could increase U.S.-Russian tensions. The Trump administration has said it remains interested in useful arms control but questions Moscow's willingness to adhere to its treaty commitments.

The Pentagon said it tested a modified ground-launched version of a Navy Tomahawk cruise missile, which was launched from San Nicolas Island and accurately struck its target after flying more than 500 kilometers (310 miles). The missile was armed with a conventional, not nuclear, warhead.


So why is the military wanting to break the treaty?
What good is a land version of tomahawk with a range of 620 miles (1,000 kilometers), indeed if you base them in Poland and the East you could start WW3 and basing them near Middle Easr, North Korea or China would also cause potential problems and could lead to war.

Furthermore no European countries want a return to the days of cold war and INF cruise/pershing missile bases.
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Old Today, 07:24 AM
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Hmmmm, reminds me of a discussion of 30 years ago or so.

A supply officer asked the operations officer what was the range of the Tomahawk missile. The operations officer replied, "Well, that depends on the mission and what warhead is being used and what engine and what.....,"

And I piped in from across the table, "And which treaty you are using.".
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Old Today, 07:26 AM
Location: Denver, CO
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How many millions of dollars of stolen income was wasted?
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Old Today, 07:39 AM
Location: Florida/Tennessee
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The Op assumes the treaty was broken by the US. We didn't break it, we identified other nations (multiple) who are actively developing technologies and missile tactics. China is the nation who is most active in developing and selling the technology. The Ruskies cheat at everything. The Chinese lie about everything. The US is played a fool about everything. We often act like a woman in a bad relationship who believes and says... "I can change Him". Maybe, but not with kindness and submission.

Think of it as divorcing your spouse, because they're cheating and refuse to change. Treaties rarely are honored to the "letter of the law" and reality tell us they're only a "delay" at best.

In a world full of thieves, liars and locusts... the US, in spite of all our faults, is a bright light for humanity.
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Old Today, 07:53 AM
Location: San Diego
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What a stupid useless treaty. Are we pretending they don't exist?
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