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Old Yesterday, 09:05 AM
 
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Sound familiar, anyone, to the failed policies presented today as "big, new ideas"??? One wants to laugh, but these are dangerous ideas, as they led to the demise of not just the USSR, but many other places where tried.

Chapter 7. Basic Rights, Freedoms, and Duties of Citizens of the USSR

Article 40. Citizens of the USSR have the right to work (that is, to guaranteed employment and pay in accordance with the quantity and quality of their work, and not below the state-established minimum)

Article 41. Citizens of the USSR have the right to rest and leisure. This right is ensured by the establishment of a working week not exceeding 41 hours, for workers and other employees, a shorter working day in a number of trades and industries

Article 42. Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection. his right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions;

Article 43. Citizens of the USSR have the right to maintenance in old age, in sickness, and in the event of complete or partial disability or loss of the breadwinner. The right is guaranteed by social insurance of workers and other employees and collective farmers;

Article 44. Citizens of the USSR have the rights to housing. This right is ensured by the development and upkeep of state and socially-owned housing

Article 45. Citizens of the USSR have the right to education. This right is ensured by free provision of all forms of education, by the institution of universal, compulsory secondary education, and broad development of vocational, specialised secondary, and higher education, in which instruction is oriented toward practical activity and production;

REF: https://www.departments.bucknell.edu...t/1936toc.html

On gun laws:

Since March 1933 the manufacture, possession, purchase, sale of firearms (except for smoothbore) hunting weapons without proper authorization was punishable by up to five years in prison. In 1935, the same penalty was imposed for possession of knives. During the Great Patriotic War, the civilian population had to hand over all the personal hunting weapons to the Red Army for defence against the German invasion. The same was true for weapons left by retreating German invaders in the war. They were to be surrendered to Red Army troops, the NKVD or local Soviet authorities within 24 hours. Cases of stolen weapons were also brought to criminal justice. Fourteen years later the punishment for illegal purchase, keeping and carrying of weapons was increased again to five years' imprisonment. However, voluntarily surrendered unregistered rifles were met without responsibility or punishment. REF https://russian7.ru/post/komu-v-sssr...met-oruzhie-2/
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Old Yesterday, 09:26 AM
 
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I can actually see how those articles could appeal to some people (they do NOT to me). BUT, if you look at all those promises on paper and the way the USSR was actually run and the reality of everyday life there for the average citizen (I've known several who lived within the USSR), it's obvious why one should never trust anyone making such promises. It's ALWAYS different in practice. Talk is cheap.

Actually, I find it somewhat of a miracle that we've come as close as we have in the U.S. to adhering to our founding documents. We haven't lived them verbatim or perfectly, but we've come much loser than most places have. But of course, our founding documents are significantly different in intent and content than most others. Not a lot of promise of free stuff; mostly a promise of individual liberty and self-determination/self-responsibility.

As soon as one hears a promise of security at the cost of liberty, one should offer the middle finger and walk away.
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Old Yesterday, 09:28 AM
 
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If you look at Marx, and Saul Alinsky you have 100% of the current Democrat platform, and STRATEGY.
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Old Yesterday, 09:34 AM
 
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The US has been Marxist for over 100 years, and both Democrats and Republicans are equally responsible.

The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx
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Old Yesterday, 09:35 AM
 
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Sound familiar, anyone, to the failed policies presented today as "big, new ideas"??? One wants to laugh, but these are dangerous ideas, as they led to the demise of not just the USSR, but many other places where tried.

Chapter 7. Basic Rights, Freedoms, and Duties of Citizens of the USSR

Article 40. Citizens of the USSR have the right to work (that is, to guaranteed employment and pay in accordance with the quantity and quality of their work, and not below the state-established minimum)

Article 41. Citizens of the USSR have the right to rest and leisure. This right is ensured by the establishment of a working week not exceeding 41 hours, for workers and other employees, a shorter working day in a number of trades and industries

Article 42. Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection. his right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions;

Article 43. Citizens of the USSR have the right to maintenance in old age, in sickness, and in the event of complete or partial disability or loss of the breadwinner. The right is guaranteed by social insurance of workers and other employees and collective farmers;

Article 44. Citizens of the USSR have the rights to housing. This right is ensured by the development and upkeep of state and socially-owned housing

Article 45. Citizens of the USSR have the right to education. This right is ensured by free provision of all forms of education, by the institution of universal, compulsory secondary education, and broad development of vocational, specialised secondary, and higher education, in which instruction is oriented toward practical activity and production;

REF: https://www.departments.bucknell.edu...t/1936toc.html

On gun laws:

Since March 1933 the manufacture, possession, purchase, sale of firearms (except for smoothbore) hunting weapons without proper authorization was punishable by up to five years in prison. In 1935, the same penalty was imposed for possession of knives. During the Great Patriotic War, the civilian population had to hand over all the personal hunting weapons to the Red Army for defence against the German invasion. The same was true for weapons left by retreating German invaders in the war. They were to be surrendered to Red Army troops, the NKVD or local Soviet authorities within 24 hours. Cases of stolen weapons were also brought to criminal justice. Fourteen years later the punishment for illegal purchase, keeping and carrying of weapons was increased again to five years' imprisonment. However, voluntarily surrendered unregistered rifles were met without responsibility or punishment. REF https://russian7.ru/post/komu-v-sssr...met-oruzhie-2/


Sounds great!

Must have been a tremendous success!
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Old Yesterday, 09:38 AM
 
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If you look at Marx, and Saul Alinsky you have 100% of the current Democrat platform, and STRATEGY.
Or even Abe Lincoln (GOP) who was a penpal of Marx and believed in Labor over Capital.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...raham-lincoln/

"Lincoln certainly viewed socialists as allies, and Nichols writes, “It is indisputable that the Republican Party had at its founding a red streak.”

"Abraham Lincoln warmly welcomed the support of Karl Marx during the Civil War and corresponded with him freely."

Can we now get the modern Republicans to stop claiming Lincoln was their man? If so, that's worth a lot.........because, obviously, both Lincoln and Marx considered (and said so) the Southern Way (Slavery, Slaveholders) as damaging to the freedom of mankind.

Lincoln also clearly stated that between Capital and Labor, Labor was King.

So is it no "Alinsky and Lincoln"?
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Old Yesterday, 09:38 AM
 
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I can actually see how those articles could appeal to some people (they do NOT to me). BUT, if you look at all those promises on paper and the way the USSR was actually run and the reality of everyday life there for the average citizen (I've known several who lived within the USSR), it's obvious why one should never trust anyone making such promises. It's ALWAYS different in practice. Talk is cheap.

Ahhh..."it was just implemented wrong" lol
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Old Yesterday, 09:41 AM
 
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Or even Abe Lincoln (GOP) who was a penpal of Marx and believed in Labor over Capital.
Since then, we've seen socialism fail in every real world test-tube.... USSR and all satellite countries, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela. The only successes are those nominal communist states who adopted capitalism.

The capitalistic countries that adopted socialist policies became sleepy economies (i.e. Western/Northern Europe) where what we take for granted (home ownership, some savings in the bank, economic mobility) are a luxury for the rare few.

The test tube of history without dispute shows that the closest you are to economic/individual liberty, the greater the prosperity, as evidenced everywhere free markets are embraced.
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Old Yesterday, 09:42 AM
 
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North Korea's constitution describes it as a republic. It takes a certain kind of idiot to use that as a springboard to criticize republics in general. (Not a rare kind of idiot, sadly.)
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Old Yesterday, 09:42 AM
 
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As soon as one hears a promise of security at the cost of liberty, one should offer the middle finger and walk away.
Nice talking point but that was over in 2001...whatever was left of it. The Patriot Act and the spending of many TRILLIONS of dollars for a false sense of security was fully accepted (put forth by mostly Republican forces and signed by Bush).....

Today, due to those firearms, the government now has to listen to each work being typed everywhere on the internet...and try to stop mass shooting that way.

And so few are complaining about it.

Do you really claim that any decent percentage of Americans are doing anything about the Security State other than funding it larger and asking it to do MORE? The Trump admin doesn't even want Apple to allow privacy on their phones and other devices.

We certainly spew more BS per capita about how free we imagine we are...while accepting that each word we write is being scanned.
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