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Old Today, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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If a baby is born, it is considered a newborn. A new born is considered a child. If a child is killed, or left to die, what do we call that in America? I call it sick and disgusting and this should not be allowed to happen. At this point, I don't see our country curbing abortion. But for the love of god, at least TRY to do it ethically
You do not have any of the facts, only nonsense packed up in a misleading commentary.
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Old Today, 09:05 AM
 
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There was zero information here.

Were these 12 week fetuses that were born alive? There is absolutely no hope in saving a 12 week fetus who is born.

He seems to try to be suggesting these were babies capable of surviving with medical help.

With no data to back it up.

But yes. If you use suction abortion techniques, it's likely the 8 week embryo will be alive when removed from the mother's uterus.
Many of these babies most likely had congenital abnormalities inconsistent with life and would not have survived regardless of all the medical care in the world.
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Old Today, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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If a baby is born, it is considered a newborn. A new born is considered a child. If a child is killed, or left to die, what do we call that in America? I call it sick and disgusting and this should not be allowed to happen. At this point, I don't see our country curbing abortion. But for the love of god, at least TRY to do it ethically
You can call it a newborn, but it's not always a chubby, healthy, bouncing baby. Less than 21 weeks, there is no chance of survival, no matter how much one might wish otherwise. "Letting it die" is the only option since saving it is impossible. There are other critically ill babies born at a later gestation that cannot be saved. Trying to save a baby that cannot possibly live is futile. It may be tragic and heartbreaking, but modern medicine cannot save everyone.
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Old Today, 10:24 AM
 
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And the fact that the right won't let real sex ed be taught in school. Kids complete sex ed not even knowing that contraception is a thing. Young people today are set up to fail as far as responsible sexuality and reproduction goes.
I don't know what school district YOU come from but this is nonsense. They teach it. Trust me. I have two kids in the public schools.
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Old Today, 10:27 AM
 
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If a baby is born, it is considered a newborn. A new born is considered a child. If a child is killed, or left to die, what do we call that in America? I call it sick and disgusting and this should not be allowed to happen. At this point, I don't see our country curbing abortion. But for the love of god, at least TRY to do it ethically
I believe it's called exercising second amendment rights.

Maybe if we called mass shootings Post-post-post- birth abortions the right would give a **** about them.
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Old Today, 10:30 AM
 
Location: California
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Maybe we wouldn't have this situation if the right didn't complain so bitterly about birth control being covered under Obamacare.

Maybe we wouldn’t have this situation if women kept their legs closed and men kept their junk in their own pants until both parties were ready for a baby. This isn’t about left or right really but about personal responsibility.
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Old Today, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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I don't know what school district YOU come from but this is nonsense. They teach it. Trust me. I have two kids in the public schools.
Maybe you live in a blue state, but here they do not teach it.
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Old Today, 05:38 PM
 
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When medical science cannot save a premature baby incapable of surviving at all because the alveoli of the lungs have not yer reached the circulatory system. In other words, there is no way to get oxygen into bloodstream of fetus.
Lungs are not fully developed until 7 months. That is when they start making surfactant. Surfactant is what makes the lungs inflate, more or less. There is artificial surfactant and that is given to some premature babies. Even that won't help if not all the lungs' structures aren't there.

Babies cry when they are born because their lungs are literally opening up. That helps the process.
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Old Today, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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You can call it a newborn, but it's not always a chubby, healthy, bouncing baby. Less than 21 weeks, there is no chance of survival, no matter how much one might wish otherwise. "Letting it die" is the only option since saving it is impossible. There are other critically ill babies born at a later gestation that cannot be saved. Trying to save a baby that cannot possibly live is futile. It may be tragic and heartbreaking, but modern medicine cannot save everyone.
Very true. Many of these mothers make a very difficult choice to end a pregnancy rather than carry a fetus, destined to die immediatly after birth, to term.

What the Fox News big mouths don't realize is that the short minutes the fetus survives after birth can either be spent cuddled in its mother's arms or have it stabbed with IV lines, a tube rammed down its throat with air pushed through it, and die alone.

Idiots on Fox News! And they complain about making a mass shooting political.
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