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Old 08-21-2019, 12:57 PM
 
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I'm totally neutral on it, and I'm fine with it.

In case you are wondering why have gay pride parades, it's because they have had to hide it for so long (various reasons).
It's celebration of a riot. A riot against them being jailed, monitored by the government, fired/denied jobs, etc just for being who they are.

 
Old 08-21-2019, 01:11 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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It’s a bad choice prompted by bad events in childhood (e.g., daddy didn’t hug you enough, mama promoted it, Uncle Willy molested you, poor self esteem, etc) or some degree of mental illness.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 01:22 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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I don’t give a flying fig what CONSENTING ADULTS do in PRIVATE. All I ask is that you don’t try to make it my business and don’t ask me to approve of it, because while I think you are entitled to do what floats your boat, I also think some of the crap people come up with to get their jollies is just gross or downright sick. This applies to all adults across the sexual spectrum.
Isn't their a double standard?

A straight man having a photo of his wife on his desk at work is fine, but would consider a gay man having a photo of his husband isn't?

Try NOT talking about your partner. Try not answering what you did and where you went on the weekend all because someone thinks that should be private?

You say it should apply to all adults of the sexual spectrum, but it doesn't. I'm pretty sure you have a bias towards straights, and it's only what makes YOU feel uncomfortable that you fear.

To be clear, we aren't talking about people who get explicit, like straight guys do all the time about the latest conquest, but about gay people who get accused of being " sick " just because they mention a partner, or heaven forbid, hold hands with them.
Where did you get all that tripe from my post? I don’t give a flying fig what pictures people have on their desks either, provided they don’t show body parts that are supposed to be covered by undergarments. I hate pictures of any couples/group of individuals that are sexualized, no matter the sexual preferences of adults involved.

Talk all you want about going to the Farmer’s Market and snagging some awesome tomatoes, but don’t tell me about what goes on with you sexually, no matter what your sexual preferences are. And, frankly, I personally think hand holding should be reserved for children or adults experiencing some feebleness, again, no matter the sexual preferences of adults are involved.
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Old 08-21-2019, 01:23 PM
 
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There's gender normal heterosexuality, and then there's mental illness. There's nothing in between. The sudoscience of psychology has been browbeaten into undefining conditions like homosexuality and gender identity disorder as "normal", they're not.

That being said, I don't see any way around accepting gays, and transgenders as part of society, or any benefit to not accepting them. I don't see them as going harm to anyone, except maybe themselves.

Where I do see harm from not defining these conditions as a pathology is that it's had the effect of preventing anyone from looking for a real, medical cure for the conditions (note that I consider religious based conversion therapies useless and counterproductive.)
 
Old 08-21-2019, 01:31 PM
 
Location: NC
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I don't care what other people do in their bedroom. It is none of my business. But why would anyone be "proud or ashamed" of who they fornicate with, gay or straight?
Clearly, you have never met my ex-wife. In hind-sight I am definitely not proud...

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It is something taught, not bred.
The only way you could possibly know that is via experience. Anything else is just projection. Think about that for a minute.....
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Then you can let us know if you are proud or ashamed of yourself




My take: "None of the above" I really don't care what others do, and honestly (ex-wife jokes aside) try not to put subjective values on myself either. Who I love is who I love, and honestly I don't put much effort in trying to understand it. Love is a product of tangibles and intangibles. To quantify it seems to be an exercise of futility. I love my current wife. On paper we are total opposites. We just work together, and I don't need to explain it to anyone, including myself. That's just me.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 01:37 PM
 
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Where did you get all that tripe from my post? I don’t give a flying fig what pictures people have on their desks either, provided they don’t show body parts that are supposed to be covered by undergarments. I hate pictures of any couples/group of individuals that are sexualized, no matter the sexual preferences of adults involved.

Talk all you want about going to the Farmer’s Market and snagging some awesome tomatoes, but don’t tell me about what goes on with you sexually, no matter what your sexual preferences are. And, frankly, I personally think hand holding should be reserved for children or adults experiencing some feebleness, again, no matter the sexual preferences of adults are involved.
It is not just a matter of sexuality. It is a matter of love, family and other things that cis het people take for granted being integrated into their lives. At work, we have pictures of our families. We go to holiday parties with our significant other. We get married...
 
Old 08-21-2019, 01:42 PM
 
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The fact that those who believe it is a choice vilify it the most says a lot. Especially as it happens all too often that a prominent voice against homosexuality ends up being caught as having had homosexual affairs.

Apparently they want it repressed so much because they find it oh so tempting. No one with any degree of confidence in their sexuality would ever imply that merely being exposed to homosexuals can make you homosexual. But they claim that’s the ‘gay agenda’.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 01:45 PM
 
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The fact that those who believe it is a choice vilify it the most says a lot. Especially as it happens all too often that a prominent voice against homosexuality ends up being caught as having had homosexual affairs.

Apparently they want it repressed so much because they find it oh so tempting. No one with any degree of confidence in their sexuality would ever imply that merely being exposed to homosexuals can make you homosexual. But they claim that’s the ‘gay agenda’.
It can be a little bit more complicated than that. For many of these people, using religion and so-called morality as a springboard for the acquisition of wealth and power is an easy thing. They are playing a game with the beliefs of these people regardless of their own views or feelings.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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None of my business.
Agreed.

None of my business.

Also, no one else's business if I disapprove of it.
 
Old 08-21-2019, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It’s a bad choice prompted by bad events in childhood (e.g., daddy didn’t hug you enough, mama promoted it, Uncle Willy molested you, poor self esteem, etc) or some degree of mental illness.
None of the above, and if you would care to read a rather long explanation, I can certainly post it here, but I must warn you, that post would probably take up two or more pages, but it would explain why people are born as we are, be it gay straight, or bi.
There are definite reasons we are born as we are, and fortunately I know what those reasons are.


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