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Old Yesterday, 07:08 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Dress code would be hair no longer than the collar, trimmed fingernails, skirts no shorter than mid-thigh, blouses covering the abdomen, no t-shirts with band names, etc.

My kids had uniforms that were similar to the one being discussed. Just because they give color options doesn't mean it's not a uniform.


As a veteran, I'm going to agree to disagree about what constitutes a uniform. Sorry.
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Old Yesterday, 09:08 AM
 
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School is where kids learn subjects, but also social skills, being on time, being responsible for self control, studying at home, and following rules. This is their "job". And since this is the equivelant to "work" for adults, they should follow their "bosses" dress code.

Also school uniforms help make kids less likely to have gang symbols, risque clothing, end stigma of someone unable to buy 200. Sneakers or designer clothes, makes them more punctual by eliminating clothing decisions, makes them be dressed for success.
Those are the arguments that folks in favor of uniforms or standardized dress put forth, but there's no evidence that uniforms improve attendance or grades, or lessen gang activity.

There are studies that suggest it does make a difference....and just as many studies that say the opposite.

https://journalistsresource.org/stud...h-achievement/


As far as "stigma" - clothing is not the only arbiter of wealth. Kids use phones, cars, shoes, gaming systems/devices and good old cash to differentiate between haves and have nots.

And for all the claims that uniforms put poor kids on an equal playing field, the very obvious disadvantage to poor families - they have to buy a separate wardrobe just for school - seems to be ignored.

And what are the long term consequences of taking decision making out of the hands of high school kids? College freshmen are arriving on campuses wholly unprepared - not just academically but emotionally. Teenagers whose schools have been telling them how to dress, what to study, when to eat, when they can use the bathroom - flounder when required to make choices for themselves.

Dress codes are about control. Why is shoulder length hair "distracting" on a boy but not a girl? Why are exposed shoulders scandalous for a girl but not a boy? Why are adults examining the bodies and clothing of teenagers (usually girls)? Why do we care what other people wear?
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Old Yesterday, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Those are the arguments that folks in favor of uniforms or standardized dress put forth, but there's no evidence that uniforms improve attendance or grades, or lessen gang activity.

There are studies that suggest it does make a difference....and just as many studies that say the opposite.

https://journalistsresource.org/stud...h-achievement/


As far as "stigma" - clothing is not the only arbiter of wealth. Kids use phones, cars, shoes, gaming systems/devices and good old cash to differentiate between haves and have nots.

And for all the claims that uniforms put poor kids on an equal playing field, the very obvious disadvantage to poor families - they have to buy a separate wardrobe just for school - seems to be ignored.

And what are the long term consequences of taking decision making out of the hands of high school kids? College freshmen are arriving on campuses wholly unprepared - not just academically but emotionally. Teenagers whose schools have been telling them how to dress, what to study, when to eat, when they can use the bathroom - flounder when required to make choices for themselves.

Dress codes are about control. Why is shoulder length hair "distracting" on a boy but not a girl? Why are exposed shoulders scandalous for a girl but not a boy? Why are adults examining the bodies and clothing of teenagers (usually girls)? Why do we care what other people wear?
Because teenage boys are sex crazed. Girls know this and dress provocative to get attention.

The schools decision making on clothes only takes the decision making away when it comes to clothes. That's it and nothing else. The sky isn't falling because teenage girls cannot dress like hussies while in school.
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Old Yesterday, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Because teenage boys are sex crazed. Girls know this and dress provocative to get attention.

The schools decision making on clothes only takes the decision making away when it comes to clothes. That's it and nothing else. The sky isn't falling because teenage girls cannot dress like hussies while in school.
Most of us have some sort of dress code in the work place. I'm not a fan of uniforms but some sort of dress code also teaches them that in the real world we have codes and policies we must abide by. Students can still make choices and express themselves within those dress codes.
Regardless, the way to challenge the status quo is not to defy the rule an aggressive and violent manner.
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Old Yesterday, 02:03 PM
 
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because teenage boys are sex crazed. Girls know this and dress provocative to get attention.

The schools decision making on clothes only takes the decision making away when it comes to clothes. That's it and nothing else. The sky isn't falling because teenage girls cannot dress like hussies while in school.
shoulders are the devil's playground!

If you can see a girl's knees, you know she's a *****!

Won't somebody think of the poor boys!
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Old Yesterday, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Texas
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shoulders are the devil's playground!

If you can see a girl's knees, you know she's a *****!

Won't somebody think of the poor boys!
The dress code does. Otherwise more of those chicks would have more of those poor little boys wrapped around their fingers.
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Old Yesterday, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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As a veteran, I'm going to agree to disagree about what constitutes a uniform. Sorry.
You shouldn't apologize for agreeing to disagree.

You also shouldn't apply military definitions to anything outside the military.

But we'll agree to disagree.
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Old Yesterday, 11:10 PM
 
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Might be because the police were not called for that. Read the article. Both father and daughter assaulted the School Resource Officer. The cops were called for that, not the dress code violation.
LOL, a teenage school girls kicks a resource officer and its time to call in back up?! Cmon, its not even a male student kicking the officer!


Honestly, Im happy to see when students and parents stand up and refuse to comply with DUMB rules, we are not all 'compliant subjects'.
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Old Yesterday, 11:22 PM
 
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LOL, a teenage school girls kicks a resource officer and its time to call in back up?! Cmon, its not even a male student kicking the officer!


Honestly, Im happy to see when students and parents stand up and refuse to comply with DUMB rules, we are not all 'compliant subjects'.
Calm down and keep paying your taxes.
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Old Today, 12:53 AM
 
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Homeschooling FTW.
Plot twist: the guy is an Incel and his daughter is adopted or she was birthed via from his donated sperm.
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