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Old 08-21-2019, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
Which is why we need a balanced budget amendment, spending limits, etc.

The government, regardless of which party controls it, can't be trusted to be responsible with our money and the money of future generations.

We need hard limits placed on government spending that can only be temporarily set aside for actual crisis.
Government spending shouldn't even be a thing, as it's not their money.
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Old 08-21-2019, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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OK, so send a balanced budget to Trump.

Let's see if he signs it.
Socialists don't believe in balanced budgets. Their entire philosophy is based around debt.
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Old 08-21-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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Shocking I tell you. I wonder how many times the superman of right wing dotards, Hannity, has used the terms "debt" or "deficit" since Le Grande Orange' was elected?

I guess since so many of them get their marching orders from him, you also conveniently stopped talking about this crisis. Just a coincidence?
You CANNOT balance the budget with our federal reserve system of creating currency- it would produce a depression.


So unless we are going to change from central banking, we will always have deficits.


Your man Obama racked in more debt than all the presidents before him, yet liberals love him. Now they criticize Trump for doing the exact same thing.


Liberal hypocrisy-


Obama good/ Trump bad
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Old 08-21-2019, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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You CANNOT balance the budget with our federal reserve system of creating currency- it would produce a depression.


So unless we are going to change from central banking, we will always have deficits.
Which is why the last opportunity to save this country was the man the GOP and the corporate media screwed over in 2008 and from whom the GOP stole the nomination in 2012.

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Your man Obama racked in more debt than all the presidents before him, yet liberals love him. Now they criticize Trump for doing the exact same thing.


Liberal hypocrisy-


Obama good/ Trump bad
Yet MAGAs give Trump a pass for essentially being Obama's third term, only with more gun control.
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Old 08-21-2019, 12:44 PM
 
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Yet MAGAs give Trump a pass for essentially being Obama's third term, only with more gun control.
Exactly.

But the Democrats are mad and that's all that matters I guess.
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Old 08-21-2019, 12:49 PM
 
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You CANNOT balance the budget with our federal reserve system of creating currency- it would produce a depression.


So unless we are going to change from central banking, we will always have deficits.


Your man Obama racked in more debt than all the presidents before him, yet liberals love him. Now they criticize Trump for doing the exact same thing.


Liberal hypocrisy-


Obama good/ Trump bad
Actually I don't see thread after thread quote after quote from "the libs" about debt or deficit.

Just pointing out how all of you and your heroes, like Hannity, who couldn't get through a post or program without mentioning it a few years back have suddenly lost interest in the subject.


Bottom line is that on this subject, the hypocrisy mostly lies with you. Your "I know you are but what am I" tactic isn't working.
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Old 08-21-2019, 01:38 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Shocking I tell you. I wonder how many times the superman of right wing dotards, Hannity, has used the terms "debt" or "deficit" since Le Grande Orange' was elected?

I guess since so many of them get their marching orders from him, you also conveniently stopped talking about this crisis. Just a coincidence?


diff is that money is coming in now vs economy flat and decreasing.


during Obama shovel ready jobs were a joke, he had his boot on the throat of the struggling economy. as a result the US services were reduced to pre WW2 levels, museums had to be raided to keep jets flying.


Now we have an economy to keep up with debt and deficit. more cuts to come and both will be addressed effectively.


same as a guy who gets a promotion and has more money to spend and save. the debt accrued with more cash coming in diminishes the same level of debt that threatened his solvency before the promotion.
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Old 08-21-2019, 01:48 PM
 
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diff is that money is coming in now vs economy flat and decreasing.


during Obama shovel ready jobs were a joke, he had his boot on the throat of the struggling economy. as a result the US services were reduced to pre WW2 levels, museums had to be raided to keep jets flying.


Now we have an economy to keep up with debt and deficit. more cuts to come and both will be addressed effectively.


same as a guy who gets a promotion and has more money to spend and save. the debt accrued with more cash coming in diminishes the same level of debt that threatened his solvency before the promotion.
We don’t have more money coming in. Revenues are down.
http://www.crfb.org/blogs/new-cbo-bu...ng-legislation
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/has-revenue-risen-2018
http://www.crfb.org/blogs/tax-bill-d...e-revenue-rise
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-tax...18-11550084426

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Old 08-21-2019, 01:54 PM
 
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EXCEPT: Dem presidents are the ONLY ones to reduce the deficit in the past 30 years. Pubs have not, at all, despite all of their rhetoric.

Clinton + Obama reduced deficit spending while W and Trump ballooned it.
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Old 08-21-2019, 01:59 PM
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Location: SM
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
Which is why we need a balanced budget amendment, spending limits, etc.

The government, regardless of which party controls it, can't be trusted to be responsible with our money and the money of future generations.

We need hard limits placed on government spending that can only be temporarily set aside for actual crisis.
And under what authority or with what force can you or I accomplish such a herculean goal? The inmates run the asylum, brother.

I know it gets tiresome for you folks to hear us anarchists go on and on about no government but it's basic psychology. Think of your kids or young relatives...if you have/had either. You play a pretend game with them where you place authority in their decisions and go along with their fantasy. I use my one young nephew as an example as he likes to play Batman and Superman. At some point I have to shut the game down (exercise authority) because we can't jump off the roof and fly or do some other daring stunt.

Now the kid is 7 and he puts up a fight for a bit but I obviously don't give in cuz...well...I'd be dead.

You play pretend by having a government, with full authority, and expect them to listen to you? I mean...damn guys. That's the height of naivete. They have your money. They have a monopoly of force. You've already clearly illustrated that you accept their claim on your life as higher than your own. They have no reason or incentive to listen to you.

None.

Zero.

Zilch.

I can outsmart a 7-year-old (though it's tougher now than when he was younger) but to think I'm going to be able to win the pretend game with the beast who has all the money and force at his disposal is just absurd.

Don't play the game!!!
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