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Old 08-21-2019, 08:59 PM
 
Location: SGV
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Miniature American flags.
Made in China and my winnings will be taxed.

Now stand for the National Anthem.

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Old 08-21-2019, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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If they force you to buy a subscription you don't want, and take your money without your permission, that is theft.
The key word being force.

We are forced to pay taxes. No one is forced to buy cable.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:04 PM
 
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Was taxation theft when it was imposed by the King? The King may have built roads, and maintained harbors, but didn't he take a whole lot for himself?
It was an imposition. It could be excessive, but to say it was all theft is extreme.

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When a road is built does everyone use it? Does everyone want it? My city spent a lot of my tax money for a basketball team, but I hate basketball.
If the standard is everyone wants something and no one doesn't want it, then nothing could get done.



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In the United States we have something called "eminent-domain" where the government can take your land. Of course with eminent-domain the government has to pay you for your land, but where does it get the money to buy your land? Isn't it taking your money then "buying" your land with it?


Eminent-domain is often used to build things like shopping malls, parking garages, and casinos. Are those public works? Are the taxes taken to fund those things theft?


Where is the line?
The line is where the majority agrees it is.

Honestly I could agree that taxes and some spending projects can at times amount to theft. But I consider a lot of things amounting to theft, from immigration, family law, poor private sector service and goods providers and employers etc.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Made in China and my winnings will be taxed.

Now stand for the National Anthem.

Of course.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:12 PM
 
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The key word being force.

We are forced to pay taxes. No one is forced to buy cable.
You're not forced to pay every tax if you're willing to go without. Plenty of people don't pay taxes lol.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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If the standard is everyone wants something and no one doesn't want it, then nothing could get done.
Don't threaten me with a good time.

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The line is where the majority agrees it is.
Majority rule is tyranny.

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Honestly I could agree that taxes and some spending projects can at times amount to theft. But I consider a lot of things amounting to theft, from immigration, family law, poor private sector service and goods providers and employers etc.
“At times.”

If a private sector business provides poor service or goods you can always not use them anymore. Unfortunately you're not allowed to refuse to pay government services, even if you don't want or use them.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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You're not forced to pay every tax if you're willing to go without. Plenty of people don't pay taxes lol.
I shouldn't be forced to go without.

I should be permitted to keep 100% of my income and not be forced to pay property taxes.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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It was an imposition. It could be excessive, but to say it was all theft is extreme.
Why is calling it theft extreme? Because it sounds bad?

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If the standard is everyone wants something and no one doesn't want it, then nothing could get done.
If government were voluntary then there would be no government.

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The line is where the majority agrees it is.
But the majority didn't agree to it under monarchy. The same is true in China today, and the old Soviet Union. And even in America today I doubt the majority actually agree on every tax. And did Trump even win a majority of the vote?

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Honestly I could agree that taxes and some spending projects can at times amount to theft. But I consider a lot of things amounting to theft, from immigration, family law, poor private sector service and goods providers and employers etc.
Then why are we fighting?

I don't find this conversation remotely interesting because it misses the point. Sure taxation might be theft, and maybe collateral-damage is murder. But does that make taxation bad? What would actually happen if there was no taxation? Do you want to live in that world? If not then taxation is good.

That is the debate we ought to be having. Not trying to redefine words because it sounds bad.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:27 PM
 
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I shouldn't be forced to go without.

I should be permitted to keep 100% of my income and not be forced to pay property taxes.
Well I'm not much of a fan of property tax. Most of it goes to public schools, which I'm also not a fan. To "educate" illegal aliens, foreigners and other misfits that shouldn't even be in my neighborhood or district. I could accept paying for real American's kids to get a real education, but not what it's actually being used for.
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Old 08-21-2019, 09:31 PM
 
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Then why are we fighting?

I don't find this conversation remotely interesting because it misses the point. Sure taxation might be theft, and maybe collateral-damage is murder. But does that make taxation bad? What would actually happen if there was no taxation? Do you want to live in that world? If not then taxation is good.

That is the debate we ought to be having. Not trying to redefine words because it sounds bad.
I agree with that. "Theft" could in some circumstances be good, but theft is never good, so we can't call "theft" theft .
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