U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 08-21-2019, 10:32 PM
 
Location: SGV
25,362 posts, read 9,872,280 times
Reputation: 9855

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by mtl1 View Post
That's where you really lose me completely. A controlled border is everything, anything else is secondary and negotiable.
You could control your own property border.

Kind of hard to do with Trump grabbing your guns every second of the day but just saying.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-21-2019, 10:34 PM
 
13,017 posts, read 4,014,733 times
Reputation: 3907
Quote:
Originally Posted by No_Recess View Post
The irony, of course, is that with legitimate private property borders and freedom of association you could very well never have to pay for or come across another human being you didn't want to have those dealings with.
Would that were true. All of latin American can march through private property owners property, and the owners run and hide or don't care since the illegals move on to someone else's neighborhood to be a burden and a pain in the butt.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2019, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Washington State
19,136 posts, read 9,857,429 times
Reputation: 16298
Quote:
Originally Posted by rebeldor View Post
Libs and lefties need not respond, because we all know what your answer will be.

Do you, or do you not, believe that taxation is theft? If not, why?
Litmust is common sense and America first.

Liberals litmust test is hate Americans.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2019, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
15,443 posts, read 13,491,325 times
Reputation: 4690
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferd View Post
No. I believe taxation without representation is theft.... we have some of that in the US.
I believe excessive taxation is theft... we have a lot of that in the US
I believe hidden taxation (ie business taxes) is theft... we still have too much of that in the US
I believe taxation to pay for things government should not be doing is theft....we have way too much of that in the US.




MOST taxation is theft...but not all taxation.


I do believe the Laffer Curve is an absolute reality.
What about when Oklahoma City citizens go vote to keep city sales taxes up to pay for new civic projects to make city government bigger? The yes votes win every time. Are yes voters in effect acting as thieves against the no voters?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2019, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
15,443 posts, read 13,491,325 times
Reputation: 4690
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redshadowz View Post
Objectivist != libertarian.

Anarchist != libertarian.

Anarchist != objectivist.



As pointed out before, Ayn Rand hated both libertarians and anarchists. She believed anarchists were basically communist-lite.
But when anarchists combine anarchy with knowledge and practice of natural law it all adds up to freedom for everybody. It won't be communist-lite.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2019, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
15,443 posts, read 13,491,325 times
Reputation: 4690
Quote:
Originally Posted by hbdwihdh378y9 View Post
I do not. Taxation is done by force.

Taxation is robbery.
So government shouldn't exist? If you want fire and police protection, you call a private company to provide it and pay them? The courthouse and city hall should function as private businesses?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2019, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
8,657 posts, read 1,979,435 times
Reputation: 1701
Quote:
Originally Posted by No_Recess View Post
The irony, of course, is that with legitimate private property borders and freedom of association you could very well never have to pay for or come across another human being you didn't want to have those dealings with.

Plus it's all done non-violently. You know, if human trafficking and kidnapping (the real definitions of "border security") are immoral to you.
Absolutely. Plus self-defense would be virtually unregulated.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2019, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
8,657 posts, read 1,979,435 times
Reputation: 1701
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtl1 View Post
That's where you really lose me completely. A controlled border is everything, anything else is secondary and negotiable.
State borders are collectivist nonsense.

Property rights are absolute.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2019, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
8,657 posts, read 1,979,435 times
Reputation: 1701
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtl1 View Post
Would that were true. All of latin American can march through private property owners property, and the owners run and hide or don't care since the illegals move on to someone else's neighborhood to be a burden and a pain in the butt.
It is the responsibility of the property owner to protect his own.

The US isn't a Maoist collective.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-21-2019, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
8,657 posts, read 1,979,435 times
Reputation: 1701
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tall Traveler View Post
Litmust is common sense and America first.

Liberals litmust test is hate Americans.
Does “America First” mean the government has the right to confiscate 40% of your income through various taxes?

MAGAs seem to be pretty liberal when it comes to taxes and private property.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top