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Old Yesterday, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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But when anarchists combine anarchy with knowledge and practice of natural law it all adds up to freedom for everybody. It won't be communist-lite.
I would call myself an anarchist, but I zero faith in humanity. Humans are ignorant and emotional. And without a government to force men together, society would devolve into a near-infinite number of families/tribes, with almost no cooperation or trade.

Whether it might be cheaper to privatize industries it doesn't matter, because people would simply refuse to obey. Throw into that racism, tribalism, and other rivalries, there would be nothing left.


Libertarians don't understand just how difficult it is to hold society together. Society is constantly trying to pull itself apart. It requires endless propaganda, social-engineering, and an Army, to hold this country together as it is. If it began to fracture, it would crumble.
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Old Yesterday, 02:01 AM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Libs and lefties need not respond, because we all know what your answer will be.

Do you, or do you not, believe that taxation is theft? If not, why?

Is a superfluous phrase, because 'libs' and 'lefties' are one in the same.



I'm a liberal, and I'm responding for two reasons.


1. Because you don't want me to.


2. I decide what I need or need not do.


I have no further comment.
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Old Yesterday, 02:10 AM
 
Location: California
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Taxation is necessary, however there IS a lot of theft involved because of corrupt humans.
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Old Yesterday, 07:07 AM
 
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When someone with whom you have not agreed to any contract or terms demands you turn over your property and uses force if you decline, that is theft.

Personally, I would like to agree upon terms with the government and make reasonable payments for things like infrastructure, but others would prefer not to do so.
C-D thinks i rep you too much. I agree with your terms.
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Old Yesterday, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
For services rendered...no.

For re-distributive purposes to able bodied adults... yes.

Quoting myself from page 1 and responding to those who responded to me.


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So theft can be defined by the purpose intended by the thief?
Yes. There are multitudes of people scamming the system to collect government checks without working.

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Unless those able bodied adults are the citizens of Israel, right?
... or Pakistan, or Afghanistan, or any other country that gets foreign aid. I don't have a problem cutting off all foreign aid.

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This

if it's being used for things like medical for illegals it is definitely theft.
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Why not let people voluntarily pay for services they use?
I don't have a problem with that with some things. However, there are sectors where government is necessary to keep some semblance of order.

I understand the whole anti-government angle and true freedom and all of that. However, the disorder created without a government would overwhelm any benefits of freedom.

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Taxation is necessary, however there IS a lot of theft involved because of corrupt humans.
Agreed.
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Old Yesterday, 07:17 AM
 
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Is a superfluous phrase, because 'libs' and 'lefties' are one in the same.



I'm a liberal, and I'm responding for two reasons.


1. Because you don't want me to.


2. I decide what I need or need not do.


I have no further comment.
in terms of response, there aint much here that is responsive.


and really Libs and lefties can in fact be two different things.




I don't know what the OP intended but i absolutely categorize your side into two separate catagories.
liberals, are in the grand tradition of the country part of the great American experiment. They believe things I don't agree with. they hold to a view that the government should do more, not less. but they believe in America as founded and hold high standards where the Constitution is concerned.




lefties... or The Left.... or the Progressive Left, are another animal altogether. They do not love America as it is. In fact they hate it and want to burn it to the ground. They want a socialist replacement. they hate vast portions of the Constitution and see it as an impediment to achieving what they want.
in short, they are dangerous subversives.




which one are you?
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Old Yesterday, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Out West
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It really doesn't matter the situation, to be honest.

The taking of the fruits of someone else's labor is theft. Period.
Which taxes are you talking about? Income tax? Property tax? Sales tax? State tax? Death tax? More? All of the above?

Income tax - we didn't used to have it. All these arguments about the roads, fire, police, etc. How were they paid in the past when we didn't have income tax?

Property tax? You're not "forced" to pay for it - you don't have to buy property. Having said that, I still think it's theft to make a property owner pay for public schools when they don't even have any kids who go to those schools. And then, as was pointed out, eminent domain means you never actually own anything - which I have a big problem with. And yes, I understand that when you pay rent, you're paying part of the landlord's property tax - you agree to the terms of the rental, knowing this.

Sales tax? You are, and you are not, forced to pay it. You could just buy all fresh goods and get no sales tax, unless you live in a state where they charge sales tax even on those products. In that case, move to another state. Sales tax on everything else - you're not "forced" to buy anything.

State tax? Move to a state without it.

Is your beef with federal tax or state (including sales) taxes? I'm with you on federal taxes. It is outright theft. State taxes - you can get around a lot of those.

Also, for federal taxes - choose what you do, wisely, and you can come out not owing a thing to the government - not even out of your monthly income - you just have to find a way to get around it. I have. As long as they continue to give me a "write off" for certain things, and I don't work "for" someone else, I've been able to get around it...all perfectly legal.
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Old Yesterday, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Taxation is necessary, however there IS a lot of theft involved because of corrupt humans.
Taxation is NOT necessary, just as rape is NOT necessary, as they are basically the same thing.

Why? Consent.
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Old Yesterday, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Taxation is NOT necessary, just as rape is NOT necessary, as they are basically the same thing.

Why? Consent.
Did you really think that through before making that claim?

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Old Yesterday, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Did you really think that through before making that claim?

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