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Old 08-21-2019, 08:02 PM
 
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There's a politician who won't tax you?
In theory. This whole discussion is theoretical. If you ran and won election wouldn't you vote for no taxation?
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Yes. Taxation is taxation, and theft and crime are theft and crime. What is the point of conflating the two?
Taxation has existed for thousands of years. Taxation existed long before democracy. Was taxation theft when it was imposed by the monarchs? Was it never theft? Was it always theft?

Is it only theft when they spend it on something you don't agree with?


If theft means to take something from someone else without their permission. Why isn't taxation theft?


Is crime only crime if your government says it is? Or are you capable of thinking for yourself?

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Old 08-21-2019, 08:14 PM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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Libs and lefties need not respond, because we all know what your answer will be.

Do you, or do you not, believe that taxation is theft? If not, why?
That's something of a loaded question. In it's present form, yes. In it's idealized form, not really. What is its idealized form? Taxation should be (and at one time was) simply a fee for service rendered. Just like any other free market transaction. The government provided a service, the "servicee" pays for that service.

The first problem with what we have now is this: who decides which services are to be offered by the government? The second: why do some recipients get serviced for free? The third: why should a given service be more expensive if the recipient is rich, given that the service provided by the government is the same (or even less) for that rich person? There are many more problems as well.

Somewhere along the line folks got the idea that tax was, rather than a fee for service rendered, a handout for some and a penalty on success for others. Tax is suppose to be for certain universally offered services provided by the government, NOT to support your neighborhood welfare queen or crackhead, or to punish your rich neighbor.
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Objectivist != libertarian.

Anarchist != libertarian.

Anarchist != objectivist.



As pointed out before, Ayn Rand hated both libertarians and anarchists. She believed anarchists were basically communist-lite.
It's quite remarkable how people automatically assume libertarians and anarchists have anything to do with Randian objectivism.
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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You permit taxation by living in a jurisdiction and not voting for a representative who will not tax you.
Where is written permission granted?
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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No.
Why not?

Are there things only the government can do instead of the free market? What are they?

Y'all sure are proving my point for me.
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The people in this thread are obsessed with performing some mental-gymnastics to prove that taxation isn't theft.
It's quite the revelation when MAGAs and so-called “conservatives” reveal themselves to communists.
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I do not. Taxation is done by force.

Taxation is robbery.
Correct.
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Yes. Taxation is taxation, and theft and crime are theft and crime. What is the point of conflating the two?
Because all three are violations of individual sovereignty and private property rights.
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:22 PM
 
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Taxation has existed for thousands of years. Taxation existed long before democracy. Was taxation theft when it was imposed by the monarchs? Was it never theft? Was it always theft?

Is it only theft when they spend it on something you don't agree with?


If theft means to take something from someone else without their permission. Why isn't taxation theft?


Is crime only crime only if your government says it is? Or are you capable of thinking for yourself?
It's not in that it pays for public works and services. It's an imposition, not necessarily a theft.
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