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Old 08-22-2019, 02:01 PM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer View Post
It is time to end birthright citizenship.

The United States has enough illegal aliens from south of the border.
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I hope he does end it. Too many women come here, 9 mo pregnant solely to have their anchor baby. We even have birth tourism advertised in magazines overseas, and in mexico.

Exactly on both counts.
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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Nah, they'd have to allow citizens to own cannons....and limit arms to single shot non-cartridge....to be strict.
Citizens can and do own cannons. And the 2nd Amendment says "arms," not restricting arms in any way.

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You don't seem to understand the very basics here. What could possibly make you think that people like myself don't object to the current Birthright situations?

I can state flatly that I do. However, it may not be for the same exact reasons as you do - but probably similar. I don't want those Russians in Trump Sunny Isles being able to infiltrate us by dropping babies here...nor do I want a simply tourist or someone who comes because they have a preg. problem and need medical attention.

But there are two caveats here. First is that when Righties go about it in a hateful..instead of a reasoned...way, it turns off all the people who might be interested in actual legislation.

Secondly, which relates to the first point, we have MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS that are costing us trillions and trillions.....

I guess that's the old "AFTER the cheaper better medical care for all when 40% of Americans aren't behind the either ball, let's talk".

Trump and his cultists are all talk and screaming. But they don't care about decency. The fact that 80% of Americans want better background checks doesn't phase them. The fact that 40% can't make it....just a crumb. BUT, the WALL and BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP...those need the SCOTUS to act now???

It's really not going to happen that way. It's the perfect definition of authoritarianism....we'll just issue an edict and be done with it!

I don't think things work that way. Precedent matters...even to the SCOTUS. They aren't going to overturn BirthRight Citizenship in any meaningful way. If a certain case gets to them about individual X (maybe born on an airliner when in US Air Space), they will rule on that. It will not change the law or norms.
They don't need to. They can just reaffirm the Wong Kim Ark ruling that specifically limits birthright citizenship in the case of foreign parents to the US-born children of domiciled (legal term) foreigners. IOW, LPRs.
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:33 PM
 
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Originally Posted by craigiri View Post
Nah, they'd have to allow citizens to own cannons....and limit arms to single shot non-cartridge....to be strict.

You don't seem to understand the very basics here. What could possibly make you think that people like myself don't object to the current Birthright situations?

I can state flatly that I do. However, it may not be for the same exact reasons as you do - but probably similar. I don't want those Russians in Trump Sunny Isles being able to infiltrate us by dropping babies here...nor do I want a simply tourist or someone who comes because they have a preg. problem and need medical attention.

But there are two caveats here. First is that when Righties go about it in a hateful..instead of a reasoned...way, it turns off all the people who might be interested in actual legislation.

Secondly, which relates to the first point, we have MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS that are costing us trillions and trillions.....

I guess that's the old "AFTER the cheaper better medical care for all when 40% of Americans aren't behind the either ball, let's talk".

Trump and his cultists are all talk and screaming. But they don't care about decency. The fact that 80% of Americans want better background checks doesn't phase them. The fact that 40% can't make it....just a crumb. BUT, the WALL and BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP...those need the SCOTUS to act now???

It's really not going to happen that way. It's the perfect definition of authoritarianism....we'll just issue an edict and be done with it!

I don't think things work that way. Precedent matters...even to the SCOTUS. They aren't going to overturn BirthRight Citizenship in any meaningful way. If a certain case gets to them about individual X (maybe born on an airliner when in US Air Space), they will rule on that. It will not change the law or norms.

The problem with Righties is they know in their heart that the Constitution needs updating...they say it in so many ways. But the pesky fact that Amendments are hard to do grates at them. Other Americans, who follow the law and politics, know that it needs updated and fine tuned and would love to do it....in the proper fashion.
LOL Democrats aren't hateful at all.
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Got to repeal the 14th amendment. All of it. Never will happen, though. Re-read clause 4 and think hard.
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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nope... actually FOLLOW the constitution





illegal aliens are NOT subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and therefore their babies are born unto illegals who are NOT subject to the jurisdiction...therefore the babies too are...illegal

if your loyalty and subject to the jurisdiction to ANOTHER country... ie you are a citizen of another country, and here illegally....then your kids are citizens of the other country of which you are a member....




sorry, but you don't reward an illegal action
Our Lord-President just said that Jews should owe their loyalty to Israel and by extension to Trump. The great constitutionalist has spoken, it is ok for latinos to owe their loyalty to their ancestral countries too.
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:44 PM
 
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Got to repeal the 14th amendment. All of it. Never will happen, though. Re-read clause 4 and think hard.
The 14th amendment interpretation keeps changing and now it means anything and everything a judge wants it to mean. First citizenship clause meant citizenship for American blacks, now illegal aliens. The equal protection clause meant a law or privilege applied equally to black and white citizens, now it means illegal aliens have to be allowed in our public schools and gay marriage.

Just get rid of it.
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:45 PM
 
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Okay, so then Melina’s parents have to go. Now.
so you were wrong about trump. but who the heck is melina?
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Is it coming before or after he finishes the wall, buys denmark, shuts down the mexican border and has cheaper and better health care for all?

Because I think some of the things above have a higher priority for most....

I think it will be right after his tariffs make every American company profitable.
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:48 PM
 
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Tell Demwits birthright citizenship was meant for slaves and they will claim we are all slaves now
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:49 PM
 
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so you were wrong about trump. but who the heck is melina?
Maybe the person before the surgeries?
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