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Old Yesterday, 06:50 AM
 
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If you’re in the US you’re subject to its jurisdiction unless you’re a hostile force (army) or a diplomat (immunity from our laws).

Regular people are subject to the jurisdiction of the US the second they step foot on any land in the US.
Not true in regards to citizenship. That's why Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, and the Congressional exception for them still exists to this day in US Nationality law.

Note that 1924 was 50+ years after the 14th Amendment.

Think about it... babies are born abroad every day. In nearly all other countries, unless one of their parents is a subject/citizen of that country, the baby does not acquire citizenship in that country. That's true even though while in that country, the foreign parents are subject to that country's jurisdiction. Happens all the time. Americans are charged, prosecuted, and convicted of violating foreign laws while in that country. Recent example: A$AP Rocky in Sweden.
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Old Yesterday, 07:03 AM
 
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If you’re in the US you’re subject to its jurisdiction unless you’re a hostile force (army) or a diplomat (immunity from our laws).

Regular people are subject to the jurisdiction of the US the second they step foot on any land in the US.
No, they are only subject to obeying our laws as anyone would be. Illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of their own countries.
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Old Yesterday, 07:07 AM
 
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No, they are only subject to obeying our laws as anyone would be. Illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of their own countries.
Exactly. Extradiction, anyone? How does that happen? Foreigners, while abroad, are still subject to their home country's jurisdiction.
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Old Yesterday, 07:09 AM
 
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Brown people can’t be Americans?

There is nothing stopping a white person from starting a roofing company. Aside from it being hard work... immigrants are more likely to start a business than someone born here. They’re not as entitled and soft as we are.
Except with many Americans hiring illegal aliens to do the work cheaper that honest American business owner won't be able to compete with them. We aren't talking about plain ole "immigrants" here but illegal aliens and their greedy employers under cutting American workers.

Soft? Since when are American blue-collared workers "soft"? We have always had a large blue-collared American workforce. Sick of the excuse for illegals working here because somehow Americans are inferior workers. It's lying BS!
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Old Yesterday, 08:13 AM
 
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There are a lot of issues I am in disagreement with conservatives and Trump, but I agree on this one... always have.
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Old Yesterday, 08:26 AM
 
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I really wish he could...but it'll be impossible without a Constitutional Amendment and 2/3rds majority...especially with the Dems being deadset on flooding the country with illegal immigrants and being deadset against anything that Trump proposes.
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Old Yesterday, 11:02 AM
 
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Correct. I have NO idea why lefties think illegal aliens only work jobs Americans won't do. The truth is actually FAR from that. From the Washington Post, citing Pew Research:

Where illegal aliens work, by industry

For example, the states of California, New York, Illinois, etc., admit illegal aliens who are lawyers to their state bars, thereby giving them a license to practice law even though they are not legally allowed to work in the US.
So true, illegal aliens get affirmative action and other preferential treatment putting them above Americans in footing.

Supposedly the 14th's equal protection clause for citizens applies in all matters to illegal alien non-citizens . But since they're "Hispanic" they get extra-protection with affirmative action too, but that supposedly doesn't violate the 14th's equal protection clause .
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Old Yesterday, 11:46 AM
 
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I really wish he could...but it'll be impossible without a Constitutional Amendment and 2/3rds majority...especially with the Dems being deadset on flooding the country with illegal immigrants and being deadset against anything that Trump proposes.
Once again, amending the Constitution would not be necessary as the wording of the 14th Amendment is already clear that babies born from illegal alien parents are not birthright citizens.
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Old Yesterday, 12:15 PM
 
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Would that make them "activist jurors who legislate from the bench?"....or is that only for one party?
Overturning or clarifying a 120 year-old decision isn't activism or legislating from the bench. And if it is, so what ?

Whether the term 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' covers children here illegally has constitutional lawyers on both sides. The intent of the 14th Amendment has scholars on both sides.
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Old Yesterday, 12:40 PM
 
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Overturning or clarifying a 120 year-old decision isn't activism or legislating from the bench. And if it is, so what ?

Whether the term 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' covers children here illegally has constitutional lawyers on both sides. The intent of the 14th Amendment has scholars on both sides.
Wrong. That's why the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 was passed, and that Act making an exception for the US-born children of US-indigenous parents is still part of US Nationality Law to this day. The WKA ruling didn't make US-indigenous people birthright citizens. That didn't happen until 1924. No similar federal law was ever passed to include the US-born children of illegal aliens or foreign temporary visitors as birthright citizens.
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