U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old Today, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
27,915 posts, read 17,852,676 times
Reputation: 15907

Advertisements

Aren't there enough homeless in CA to work there? Make them work in exchange for a spot on the sidewalk to live and crap on.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old Today, 10:09 AM
 
52,433 posts, read 42,160,171 times
Reputation: 32723
Quote:
Originally Posted by ottomobeale View Post
You all need to stop blaming anything other than minimum wage. STOP WRECKING THE NARRATIVE!

Commies.
IDK, at first I thought the OP was wrong but the more I started digging, their partisan rant may accidentally have some merit.

The aluminimum prices are only down relative to 2017 so it's not that. Insurance costs could definitely be a factor if health insurance was not previously mandatory but frankly that is a state required business cost so under the umbrella of the politics heaping wage\benefit costs on business it's kinda one bucket imo.

I don't know what the "state fees" are\were so ????? as to that impact.

Most of the major cities and counties in CA have increased minimum wage by 30-40% over the past few years but I don't know what the operational costs are for the recycling operations so I don't know if that's a 2% impact to them or 20% but it's likely to be substantial given that most of those jobs would be low paying.

San Diego increased end of 2016.
https://www.sandiego.gov/treasurer/minimum-wage-program

LA county already documented is up about 40% since 2016 and will hit $15/hr. next year.

San Fran's is up $4 per hour in the last 4 years or so to $17/hour.

https://sfgov.org/olse/mco-historical-rates
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
28,908 posts, read 15,661,044 times
Reputation: 11605
Quote:
Originally Posted by PCALMike View Post
So countries with stronger labor rights dont recycle because workers there are too demanding and uppity?

Blaming the working class for standing up for themselves is just corporate propaganda.

Clearly other factors are at play, as a business that rely on starvation wages to stay afloat is inefficient and dont deserve to stay in business.
Then no one has a job.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
982 posts, read 1,145,209 times
Reputation: 1099
California = housing shortage of ~1.8 million units = high housing costs = high income needed to afford housing = lets raise the minimum wage and further inflate everything in the process. Funny thing is California is pushing somewhere in the range of 3 million illegals.....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 10:45 AM
 
1,192 posts, read 1,350,699 times
Reputation: 1091
So one of the downsides of illegal immigrants is wage suppression. If wages rise because the illegals have been forced out, should we expect a different result for these types of businesses than one would see from an increase in the regulatory minimum wage?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 10:48 AM
 
1,645 posts, read 315,858 times
Reputation: 1840
Quote:
Originally Posted by PCALMike View Post
So countries with stronger labor rights dont recycle because workers there are too demanding and uppity?

Blaming the working class for standing up for themselves is just corporate propaganda.

Clearly other factors are at play, as a business that rely on starvation wages to stay afloat is inefficient and dont deserve to stay in business.
Well now those 750 wage slaves have been freed. Feel better now ?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 10:52 AM
 
1,645 posts, read 315,858 times
Reputation: 1840
Quote:
Originally Posted by bcattwood View Post
So one of the downsides of illegal immigrants is wage suppression. If wages rise because the illegals have been forced out, should we expect a different result for these types of businesses than one would see from an increase in the regulatory minimum wage?
It would take years. We have a glut of unskilled workers. Those tens of millions that have crossed the border are not skilled.

They are economic migrants and any conditions here in the US is probably 1000 times better than what they had where they came from. 4 families living in a 2 bedroom apt is "moving up" to them. And with that number of families living in one space they can afford rising rents.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 10:59 AM
 
5,706 posts, read 2,099,818 times
Reputation: 7198
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathguy View Post
IDK, at first I thought the OP was wrong but the more I started digging, their partisan rant may accidentally have some merit.
To some degree. But then another statistic is that "40% of recycling centers in Los Angeles county have closed." Which means 60% of them are still open, operating with the new higher wages. Maybe the ones that closed weren't agile enough to adapt to new conditions.

Also note that SF's unemployment rate is 2.4%, one of the lowest in the nation. LA stands at 4.2%. If the wage thesis were true, we'd see mass closings across all industries with unskilled labor, and we are not seeing that. So the only explanation for recycling closures are conditions specific to recycling.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 11:01 AM
 
5,706 posts, read 2,099,818 times
Reputation: 7198
Quote:
Originally Posted by bcattwood View Post
So one of the downsides of illegal immigrants is wage suppression.
Unskilled Guatemalans who don't speak English are not suppressing wages.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 11:06 AM
 
1,645 posts, read 315,858 times
Reputation: 1840
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
To some degree. But then another statistic is that "40% of recycling centers in Los Angeles county have closed." Which means 60% of them are still open, operating with the new higher wages. Maybe the ones that closed weren't agile enough to adapt to new conditions.

Also note that SF's unemployment rate is 2.4%, one of the lowest in the nation. LA stands at 4.2%. If the wage thesis were true, we'd see mass closings across all industries with unskilled labor, and we are not seeing that. So the only explanation for recycling closures are conditions specific to recycling.
You mean all those homeless are not counted ? None of them are looking for work and living on the streets because they have no income ?

Honestly a serious question. Your stat comes as a surprise given the number of homeless SF has.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top