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Old 08-22-2019, 11:11 AM
 
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Unskilled Guatemalans who don't speak English are not suppressing wages.
illegals have impacted wages in construction. Companies only hire the construction manager and give him money to hire his 'crew'. Electricians and plumbers are the only ones not affected and you can see the wage difference. Plastering, masonry, cement, drywall, painting, roofing, carpentry, etc. are dominated with non English speaking workers.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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Unskilled Guatemalans who don't speak English are not suppressing wages.
Supply of Labor vs. Demand for labor, as long as the labor in question has reasonable substitutes would be impacted by those able to work in those pools.

Mathematician? English Teacher? Claims Adjuster? Phyisical Therapist? No....not impacted by non-English speaking guy (doesn't matter if they're legal or not).

But we all know that non-English speaking illegals dominate construction, landscaping and various other jobs. This puts pressure on all sorts of labor jobs that are reasonable substitutes and thus does put downward pressure on wages.


For example, if the labor jobs in a town are the chicken processing plant, roofing\construction, landscaping and a bunch of LEGAL immigrants came to town not speaking English and willing to work very cheaply and the chicken processing plant hired them all, that means that the same number of locals are now competing for the other 2 types. This would be classic more supply of labor for the same jobs.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Costs surpass revenues. Business tanks. That's not rocket science.

Although there were other factors involved here, paying unskilled laborers doctor's wages never helps and makes zero economic/business sense.



"The mean salary of a doctor in the United States is $294,000/year according to a Medscape Report. However, doctor salaries vary based on location and specialty. For instance, neurosurgeons make the most per year on average at $663K, while a Pediatric Infectious Disease doctor makes $192K"


Not sure how days and hours that average doctor works but that wage is almost certainly about $100 per hour. Many way more.



Minimum wage is not anywhere near this level.





Is it excessive? It hasn't been. Is it at $15 hour? I don't think so from the perspective of the health & well-being of society as a whole. I doubt it is going above $15 for quite sometime. It stayed way too low for way too long. Causing poverty, crime and too many stunted hopeless lives of adults and children.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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No problem, Calif will just set up its own govt recycling program, throw a LOT of taxpayer money at it, and things will proceed as normal.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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illegals have impacted wages in construction. Companies only hire the construction manager and give him money to hire his 'crew'. Electricians and plumbers are the only ones not affected and you can see the wage difference. Plastering, masonry, cement, drywall, painting, roofing, carpentry, etc. are dominated with non English speaking workers.

The skilled trades were not bringing enough domestic apprentices. I don't how much was lack of recruits vs. restricting entry to try to maintain higher wages but these are factors to consider long with foreign labor and companies preferring cheaper, easier to fire or dominate / direct labor.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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California recycling. Where you have to take a day off work to get your own money back because they all close at 4-430. Beautiful. That or spend your own precious days off standing in long lines of homeless and other subjects just to get your money back.
LOL, yep. Plus one outstanding thing about this closing down is at least I won't have those scrubs walking up and taking recyclables out of the bins in the middle of the night.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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To some degree. But then another statistic is that "40% of recycling centers in Los Angeles county have closed." Which means 60% of them are still open, operating with the new higher wages. Maybe the ones that closed weren't agile enough to adapt to new conditions.

Also note that SF's unemployment rate is 2.4%, one of the lowest in the nation. LA stands at 4.2%. If the wage thesis were true, we'd see mass closings across all industries with unskilled labor, and we are not seeing that. So the only explanation for recycling closures are conditions specific to recycling.
1) That's a good point, it's possible that the larger operation is carrying high debt from acquistiions (for example) that the others are not or because the 60% (for example) could be more independent recycling centers and thus small enough to not have to meet some of the healthcare or other mandates....or are cheating by not paying minimum wages....hard to say but again, thanks for pointing out the % still operating, it's great information.

2) Honest question for my education, but in CA how do they calculate unemployment specific to illegal labor?

3) Not sure I agree with your conclusion about other businesses closing. For example, the grocery store can raise it's prices. A recycler only has state fee income and then the price they can sell the aluminum etc. for. Most businesses can pass higher wages and OTHER COSTS (since we don't know if the wages are really the smoking gun) on to consumers but recyclers are largely unable to do so to a great extent.

Lastly, one factor not mentioned is that CA drastically increased power costs this year (we covered this in another thread), it's being driven by laws they passed requiring green energy standards and thus having to buy more power from out of state etc. (It's not related to the cost of the Camp fires, at least not yet. ) That could have been another cost driver not mentioned by the operation.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:37 AM
 
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"The mean salary of a doctor in the United States is $294,000/year according to a Medscape Report. However, doctor salaries vary based on location and specialty. For instance, neurosurgeons make the most per year on average at $663K, while a Pediatric Infectious Disease doctor makes $192K"


Not sure how days and hours that average doctor works but that wage is almost certainly about $100 per hour. Many way more.



Minimum wage is not anywhere near this level.





Is it excessive? It hasn't been. Is it at $15 hour? I don't think so from the perspective of the health & well-being of society as a whole. I doubt it is going above $15 for quite sometime. It stayed way too low for way too long. Causing poverty, crime and too many stunted hopeless lives of adults and children.
If a city or county votes in a $17 minimum wage like San Francisco did....I'm totally fine with that.

It's when idiots start talking about $15 nationally, which imo is mostly a political attempt at making a wedge issue, then I have a problem. $15 in NYC is like $30 in Iowa, makes zero sense for a ridiculously high minimum wage one-size fits all for the country.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:40 AM
 
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Recycling is not what it is hyped up to be.
It actually works great in places like Japan. I lived there and all trash has to be separated into groups such as metal/glass, paper, plastic and food trash before the trash collectors will take it. It works there because they don't have tons of scabs walking around at night poaching out of recycle bins.

This is why it's such a failure in America, or at least in big cities in and around places like San Fransicko. When recycle bins are poached of their valuable recyclable contents, the company running the recycle program looses money.

I think what they need to do is just allow all trash to be put back into trash cans and dumpsters and have a system in place at the garbage collection site that separates the recyclables from the trash. When it's separated at residential locations, that just makes it easy for the recycle poachers to operate.
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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The skilled trades were not bringing enough domestic apprentices. I don't how much was lack of recruits vs. restricting entry to try to maintain higher wages but these are factors to consider long with foreign labor and companies preferring cheaper, easier to fire or dominate / direct labor.
Illegals can't be electricians and plumbers because those 2 trades require certification and license with their respective county and state.

If roofers, for example, had the same requirements you would not see illegals taking those jobs.
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