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Old 08-22-2019, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I'd volunteer to pull the switch on the electric chair myself. The man is a disgrace who stole information and then fled to hostile territories (you know the Russians have access to all of that information, which Snowden took with him, even if Snowden doesn't realize it), exposing many lives to risk in the process.
How do you steal something that already belongs to you?

If I am forced to fund the government I damn well have the right to know how my stolen money is being used--especially since the NSA thinks they have the right to monitor and surveil us.
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Oh, so you think the surveillance began under Obama? Have you forgotten all about Bush?
Lol--sure--didn't you know? Obama invented the NSA and surveillance. J. Edgar Hoover never existed, Nixon, Reagan, and two Bushes were never president and never used surveillance on other countries.

The problem with Snowden is that he ran away to Russia and lives there. They spy on their own citizens as well as other countries. But he's okay with that? Or can he not even speak of it?

I don't think he is a hero.
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:09 PM
 
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We cannot discuss Snowden in the presence of particular family members. It becomes raucous to the point of calling names and major eyerolls. They deem him to be a traitor because he betrayed the code of conduct. While I don't see Snowden as a hero, I am not surprised one bit at what he leaked. I hate having to listen to the "it's against the law" to listen to Americans baloney. The brainwashing is built in. It's just metadata.

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Old 08-22-2019, 06:24 PM
Status: "Proud American, Always and Forever" (set 21 days ago)
 
Location: DMV Area/NYC/Honolulu
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How do you steal something that already belongs to you?

If I am forced to fund the government I damn well have the right to know how my stolen money is being used--especially since the NSA thinks they have the right to monitor and surveil us.
Because it doesn't "belong to you." We don't have mob rule here, but elect representatives to work on our behalf. Those representatives--with the blessing of the people who sent them there and continue to elect them--have passed laws pertaining to the handling of classified information.

What document gives you a right to know state secrets?
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:25 PM
 
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Snowden is a hero and should run the nsa
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:28 PM
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-10307959.html
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Because it doesn't "belong to you." We don't have mob rule here, but elect representatives to work on our behalf. Those representatives--with the blessing of the people who sent them there and continue to elect them--have passed laws pertaining to the handling of classified information.

What document gives you a right to know state secrets?
To whom does it belong, then? If I am forced to pay for something then goddamned right it belongs to me.

Free people don't have information kept from them.

What document gives the State the right to keep secrets?
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:32 PM
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To whom does it belong, then? If I am forced to pay for something then goddamned right it belongs to me.

Free people don't have information kept from them.

What document gives the State the right to keep secrets?
It belongs to the collective. Not you as an individual. The collective exercises its rights via elected representatives, who enact laws on our behalf.
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:34 PM
 
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It belongs to the collective. Not you as an individual. The collective exercises its rights via elected representatives, who enact laws on our behalf.
I don't trust those in control of the levers of power or those who have control over the collection of data. My issue is not with those at the bottom collecting it.
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:37 PM
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I don't trust those in control of the levers of power or those who have control over the collection of data. My issue is not with those at the bottom collecting it.
That's fair. To be frank, I don't trust most of those at the top either. But our system is what it is until we the people vote for change.
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