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Old 08-26-2019, 08:13 AM
 
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Actually, that's not true.

I posted a link to a statistically solid study that was performed for a woman's group and it found statistical reasons explain all but about 5 cents (approximately) of the pay gap. They normalized for all of the stuff like types of jobs, taking years off work for kids, overtime and so forth.

It was a very sound study and then scientifically correctly concluded that the 5 cents that could not be explained were not automatically due to gender unfairness but likely some of it was, which is logical.

Heck, even on NPR they had a guy explaining that the 83 cent figure that gets thrown around is garbage and that the statistically adjusted difference is quite small and really mostly anchored in a few industries while not prevalent at all in others.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:57 AM
 
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* people want equal pay


i agree but then that would be a socialism system
my company pretty much all white males. those in the same dept, same job, same task dont make the same pay


its depends on time, skill, responsibility. someone that there everyday for thirty years going make more than someone been there three years and lay out every week
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ralph_N_1962 -These studies are literally an acknowledgement that you work crappier jobs on average, not that there is any discrimination going on.

Actually, that's not true.

I posted a link to a statistically solid study that was performed for a woman's group and it found statistical reasons explain all but about 5 cents (approximately) of the pay gap. They normalized for all of the stuff like types of jobs, taking years off work for kids, overtime and so forth.

It was a very sound study and then scientifically correctly concluded that the 5 cents that could not be explained were not automatically due to gender unfairness but likely some of it was, which is logical.

Heck, even on NPR they had a guy explaining that the 83 cent figure that gets thrown around is garbage and that the statistically adjusted difference is quite small and really mostly anchored in a few industries while not prevalent at all in others.
Aren't you 2 saying the same thing? There is no wage gender gap when you apply apples to apples?
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Texas
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That is correct. There is a small difference that I suppose could be attributed to men being more likely to ask for a raise or not accept a lower offer, but the whole 80 cents on the dollar nonsense is just that and you should immediately not trust any spin doctor trying to push that one whoever it is. They are trying to sell you something that is just plain false, and probably worse than that, agenda driven.
Plus if woman do the same work as men but for 80% of the pay their UE rate would be minuscule.

Men are more aggressive and are more likely to ask for promotions and raises.

What boggles my mind is a 10 year old study done in 150 major cities that almost everyone ignores.
Comparing 30 year old and under single men and woman, the study found that in 147 cities woman made similar pay or made more than men. That is attributable to the slightly higher percentage of degrees that women have over men.

Hardly anyone mentions that study. Granted that isn't about black women, but all women.
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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by James Chung of Reach Advisors

But now there's evidence that the ship may finally be turning around: according to a new analysis of 2,000 communities by a market research company, in 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young women are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group.

He attributes the earnings reversal overwhelmingly to one factor: education. For every two guys who graduate from college or get a higher degree, three women do



Study: Young, Single, Childless Women Earn More Than Men - TIME
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:34 PM
 
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Actually, that's not true.

I posted a link to a statistically solid study that was performed for a woman's group and it found statistical reasons explain all but about 5 cents (approximately) of the pay gap. They normalized for all of the stuff like types of jobs, taking years off work for kids, overtime and so forth.

It was a very sound study and then scientifically correctly concluded that the 5 cents that could not be explained were not automatically due to gender unfairness but likely some of it was, which is logical.

Heck, even on NPR they had a guy explaining that the 83 cent figure that gets thrown around is garbage and that the statistically adjusted difference is quite small and really mostly anchored in a few industries while not prevalent at all in others.
"It was a very sound study" and you are an expert on "studies"!
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:37 PM
 
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How about equal work equal pay? Or how about, it doesn't matter the color of the skin but the content of the character? As OP mentioned, occupation should be taken into consideration. You see tons of black women working jobs that were never created for grown ass adults trying to raise a family. They are often working jobs that would have gone to teenagers 30 years ago. Whose fault is that? Whatever is trending on Twitter will not change that.

There used to be something called personal responsibility. It was accepted that your fate was generally determined by your own actions. The teachers and politicians have brainwashed people to reject the knowledge and lessons handed down from generation to generation. Why are "progressives" working tirelessly to create an underclass that has no will to lift themselves up? What have been the real world results of this madness?

" I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." - Martin Luther King Jr.

I think we can all agree that MLK had it right. So why are certain minorities so frequently hiding behind their race in 2019??? The KKK is not holding them down. Membership is minuscule and they hold no power. We defeated the Nazis, can't blame them. I think America has done away with all the institutions that could be blamed for holding minorities down.
"They are often working jobs that would have gone to teenagers 30 years ago. Whose fault is that?"


Maybe if they hadn't dropped out if high school and in many cases to have baby with no father around...
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:39 PM
 
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Abortion IS birth control. The right wants to stop abortion. The right also wants to stop covering birth control pills from the prescription drug coverage part of health insurance plans. The right wants to increase unwed teenage mothers by removing birth control. The left supports birth control.
"The right wants to stop abortion."


Do you know ANYTHING about the woman who started planned Parenthood and WHY? I doubt it.
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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Either way, people should have enough sense to not make a baby if they're not ready mentally, emotionally and financially.


BTW, regardless of what the Right wants, abortion and birth control ARE currently available. So is abstinence. Nobody is stopping people from using these options.
"abortion and birth control ARE currently available." AND condoms are given out FREE in a lot of high schools.
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:44 PM
 
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"They are often working jobs that would have gone to teenagers 30 years ago. Whose fault is that?"


Maybe if they hadn't dropped out if high school and in many cases to have baby with no father around...
I see college graduation rates, pay rates, and socio-economic status of Black women consistently rising yet everyone is still stuck in 1980's welfare queen mindset. Who are these black women you guys are talking about? Do you know any black women personally, did you bother to ask black folks if Black women in their families were successful, guessing its a no. I think your measurement is what ever you see at Walmart or while driving around your economically depressed area.

I see plenty of white women working at Wal-Mart, McDonalds, and other non-fine crappy dining establishments. I see white men pan handling daily, working the gas station line as lazily as possible, or cleaning gutters part-time because it's too hot for full-time work .

I guess I should assume all white men are like the ones in the trailer park I pass daily, bunch of lazy do nothings eating tax dollars instead of working hard like the Black Women I know.

Is that how it works? Is that all the proof I need so I can be ignorant too?
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