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Old 08-22-2019, 03:11 PM
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I see black women equal pay is trending on twitter. What is with these fools that cannot understand that these 'studies' never - NEVER - even attempt to control for occupation, experience, skills, etc.

These studies are literally an acknowledgement that you work crappier jobs on average, not that there is any discrimination going on.
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Old 08-22-2019, 03:25 PM
 
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I see black women equal pay is trending on twitter. What is with these fools that cannot understand that these 'studies' never - NEVER - even attempt to control for occupation, experience, skills, etc.

These studies are literally an acknowledgement that you work crappier jobs on average, not that there is any discrimination going on.
Actually, that's not true.

I posted a link to a statistically solid study that was performed for a woman's group and it found statistical reasons explain all but about 5 cents (approximately) of the pay gap. They normalized for all of the stuff like types of jobs, taking years off work for kids, overtime and so forth.

It was a very sound study and then scientifically correctly concluded that the 5 cents that could not be explained were not automatically due to gender unfairness but likely some of it was, which is logical.

Heck, even on NPR they had a guy explaining that the 83 cent figure that gets thrown around is garbage and that the statistically adjusted difference is quite small and really mostly anchored in a few industries while not prevalent at all in others.
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Old 08-22-2019, 03:34 PM
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Actually, that's not true.

I posted a link to a statistically solid study that was performed for a woman's group and it found statistical reasons explain all but about 5 cents (approximately) of the pay gap. They normalized for all of the stuff like types of jobs, taking years off work for kids, overtime and so forth.

It was a very sound study and then scientifically correctly concluded that the 5 cents that could not be explained were not automatically due to gender unfairness but likely some of it was, which is logical.

Heck, even on NPR they had a guy explaining that the 83 cent figure that gets thrown around is garbage and that the statistically adjusted difference is quite small and really mostly anchored in a few industries while not prevalent at all in others.
Less than 5 cents makes sense and some of it probably is discrimination. But none of the partisan studies the left likes to use control for anything. This particular one is like 61 cents compared to white males. Its bs
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Old 08-22-2019, 03:38 PM
 
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How about equal work equal pay? Or how about, it doesn't matter the color of the skin but the content of the character? As OP mentioned, occupation should be taken into consideration. You see tons of black women working jobs that were never created for grown ass adults trying to raise a family. They are often working jobs that would have gone to teenagers 30 years ago. Whose fault is that? Whatever is trending on Twitter will not change that.

There used to be something called personal responsibility. It was accepted that your fate was generally determined by your own actions. The teachers and politicians have brainwashed people to reject the knowledge and lessons handed down from generation to generation. Why are "progressives" working tirelessly to create an underclass that has no will to lift themselves up? What have been the real world results of this madness?

" I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." - Martin Luther King Jr.

I think we can all agree that MLK had it right. So why are certain minorities so frequently hiding behind their race in 2019??? The KKK is not holding them down. Membership is minuscule and they hold no power. We defeated the Nazis, can't blame them. I think America has done away with all the institutions that could be blamed for holding minorities down.
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Old 08-22-2019, 03:45 PM
 
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andywire has it right - the most surefire way to poverty is to be an unwed, teenaged mother.


Personal responsibility is key. Instead of the powers-that-be (the Left) pumping hate and excuses into people's heads, they should be pumping birth control, education, work and saving into their heads.
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Old 08-22-2019, 04:12 PM
 
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I see black women equal pay is trending on twitter. What is with these fools that cannot understand that these 'studies' never - NEVER - even attempt to control for occupation, experience, skills, etc.

These studies are literally an acknowledgement that you work crappier jobs on average, not that there is any discrimination going on.
Today is black women equal pay day. The reason why this is trending on Twitter due to Twitter being popular amongst black folks on topics on intersectionality. Like what you are talking about right now.
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Old 08-22-2019, 04:29 PM
 
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the most surefire way to poverty is to be an unwed, teenaged mother.

.... Instead of the powers-that-be (the Left) pumping hate and excuses into people's heads, they should be pumping birth control, education, work and saving into their heads.

Abortion IS birth control. The right wants to stop abortion. The right also wants to stop covering birth control pills from the prescription drug coverage part of health insurance plans. The right wants to increase unwed teenage mothers by removing birth control. The left supports birth control.
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Old 08-22-2019, 04:49 PM
 
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Abortion IS birth control. The right wants to stop abortion. The right also wants to stop covering birth control pills from the prescription drug coverage part of health insurance plans. The right wants to increase unwed teenage mothers by removing birth control. The left supports birth control.
Either way, people should have enough sense to not make a baby if they're not ready mentally, emotionally and financially.


BTW, regardless of what the Right wants, abortion and birth control ARE currently available. So is abstinence. Nobody is stopping people from using these options.
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Old 08-22-2019, 04:52 PM
 
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Let me ask a question, if women in general get paid less, why does any company have men working? Cut all the men, only hire women and pocket the profit?



Now, does that make ANY freaking sense, to anyone?
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:05 PM
 
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Less than 5 cents makes sense and some of it probably is discrimination. But none of the partisan studies the left likes to use control for anything. This particular one is like 61 cents compared to white males. Its bs
Well then here is your chance. Go search on my user name and you should be able to find the link. It's an absolutely ironclad study and funded by womens group no less.

When you see people that have been suckered by shoddy news articles and bad analysis you have an opportunity to share it with them and educate them.
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