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Old Today, 07:31 AM
 
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Because we are a society. The purpose of society includes providing a social safety net. I am sure you would rather the disabled, children without parents, people who can’t work due to illness, etc. die starving in the street, but that isn’t how a society works.
Please point out to us those times in the past .... prior to all of the socialist cradle to grave welfare programs that are bankrupting the middle class .... when people were “starving in the streets”? Never happened!

What has been created is not a social safety net, but an ever growing segment of the population that are “generational dependents”, otherwise known as the democrat base. However, given the failure to deliver on decades of promises, the democrats are seeing an exodus of that base, which explains their new embrace of illegals, and prioritizing their interests over the American citizens.

The elimination of poverty in the United States would result in the virtual elimination of the democrat party, which explains why we see the extreme degradation in liberal run cities across the country. Poverty is viewed as the democrat’s best friend, while prosperity is the enemy.
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Old Today, 07:52 AM
 
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Also, priority should be given to those who fought in our wars. Top priority to anyone wounded and WWII vets.
Illegal aliens can't join our military so no, they haven't fought in our wars.
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Old Today, 07:56 AM
 
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Illegal aliens can't join our military so no, they haven't fought in our wars.
Sorry, I conflated two ideas. I meant among the Americans on the list for subsidizing housing - those who fought in wars should get priority. Illegals should under no circumstances get housing over honest Americans.
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Old Today, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Because we are a society. The purpose of society includes providing a social safety net. I am sure you would rather the disabled, children without parents, people who can’t work due to illness, etc. die starving in the street, but that isn’t how a society works.
“We” aren't anything. “We” aren't a collective.

It's not my responsibility to take care of other people who aren't members of my family--unless I voluntarily do so.
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Old Today, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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...benefits intended for Americans...
You leftists sure like spending other people's money.

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Also, priority should be given to those who fought in our wars. Top priority to anyone wounded and WWII vets.
Why?

It's not my responsibility.
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Old Today, 09:08 AM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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Please point out to us those times in the past .... prior to all of the socialist cradle to grave welfare programs that are bankrupting the middle class .... when people were “starving in the streets”? Never happened!

What has been created is not a social safety net, but an ever growing segment of the population that are “generational dependents”, otherwise known as the democrat base. However, given the failure to deliver on decades of promises, the democrats are seeing an exodus of that base, which explains their new embrace of illegals, and prioritizing their interests over the American citizens.

The elimination of poverty in the United States would result in the virtual elimination of the democrat party, which explains why we see the extreme degradation in liberal run cities across the country. Poverty is viewed as the democrat’s best friend, while prosperity is the enemy.
Many pictures remain from the Great Depression of the 1930s of people starving in the streets, the dustbowl out west with people starving in tent cities, all before social programs were created. So you are wrong.

That said, Illegals should not be getting subsidized housing. Illegals shouldn't even be here. Even a LEGAL immigrant is not allowed to get subsidized housing for five years--so this major has his priorities confused. Democrats are not FOR illegals--our extreme fringes seem to be for illegals, but the majority is not.
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Old Today, 11:11 AM
 
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Many pictures remain from the Great Depression of the 1930s of people starving in the streets, the dustbowl out west with people starving in tent cities, all before social programs were created. So you are wrong.

That said, Illegals should not be getting subsidized housing. Illegals shouldn't even be here. Even a LEGAL immigrant is not allowed to get subsidized housing for five years--so this major has his priorities confused. Democrats are not FOR illegals--our extreme fringes seem to be for illegals, but the majority is not.
Well the Democrats in congress certainly are for illegals so why do you keep voting for them? Many mainstream Democrats are for illegals also and they are either bleeding heart liberals without a brain in their heads, profit from illegal labor or have ethnic ties to them.
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Old Today, 12:44 PM
 
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Illegal aliens can't join our military so no, they haven't fought in our wars.
They shouldn't be allowed to serve in our military, but if they did, they did it voluntarily and were offered compensation the same as an American veteran, so why should they get an extra bonus of citizenship?
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Old Today, 02:36 PM
 
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They shouldn't be allowed to serve in our military, but if they did, they did it voluntarily and were offered compensation the same as an American veteran, so why should they get an extra bonus of citizenship?
The only way illegals can join our military is by using fraud either by themselves or on the part of a recruting officer. There may have been cases in the past when we were at war but under normal circumstances and without fraud involved illegal aliens cannot lawfully enlist in our military. Legal immigrants can join our military and offered citizenship for doing so, however.
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