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Old Yesterday, 07:02 PM
 
Location: SGV
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So which one are you?


[] One of the sovereign people who directly exercise sovereignty over their person, liberty and property, whose endowed rights are secured by government?
[] Or one of the subject citizens who indirectly exercise sovereignty via delegation to representatives, and have surrendered endowed rights in exchange for civil and political liberties (i.e."rights") by consent to be governed?
I went over this with you. I'm neither. So are you. Only in your head does the State exist and only in your head did you consent to some sort of contract with it.

Leave me out of your delusions.
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Old Yesterday, 07:14 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I went over this with you. I'm neither. So are you. Only in your head does the State exist and only in your head did you consent to some sort of contract with it.

Leave me out of your delusions.
[] One of the sovereign people who directly exercise sovereignty over their person, liberty and property, whose endowed rights are secured by government?(Constitutional Originalist)
[] Or one of the subject citizens who indirectly exercise sovereignty via delegation to representatives, and have surrendered endowed rights in exchange for civil and political liberties (i.e."rights") by consent to be governed?(Post 16th Amendment)


You are one or the other, there is no option 3, unless you are at war with everyone, as a god figure.
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Old Yesterday, 07:31 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Problem is the Constitution is bastardized beyond all use now. Other ideologies have the teeth to defend what's important.
Liberty never changes, it is only taken.
Your rights come from GOD, not man.
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Old Yesterday, 08:00 PM
 
Location: SGV
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[] One of the sovereign people who directly exercise sovereignty over their person, liberty and property, whose endowed rights are secured by government?(Constitutional Originalist)
[] Or one of the subject citizens who indirectly exercise sovereignty via delegation to representatives, and have surrendered endowed rights in exchange for civil and political liberties (i.e."rights") by consent to be governed?(Post 16th Amendment)


You are one or the other, there is no option 3, unless you are at war with everyone, as a god figure.
I didn't sign the Constitution.

Sorry. It doesn't apply to me.

I'm not a God or even here for your consideration. I live in peace, live and let live. Do with that what you will. I suspect you or your goons will come for me though.
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Old Yesterday, 08:03 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I didn't sign the Constitution.

Sorry. It doesn't apply to me.

I'm not a God or even here for your consideration. I live in peace, live and let live. Do with that what you will. I suspect you or your goons will come for me though.
sovereign badass! I like it! How big is your army? In society, you pick your battles, like I do.


Short review of the foundation of American law - - -" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
--- Declaration of Independence, 1776
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Old Yesterday, 08:05 PM
 
Location: SGV
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sovereign badass! I like it! How big is your army? In society, you pick your battles, like I do.
I'm not politically sovereign. I just exist.

I don't pick battles. I just exist.

Which one of us has the philosophy that stands up to the morals and values you claim to embrace: I will never bring a fight to your door. As a pro-Constitution individual (statist) you will eventually bring a fight to my door.

Who is in the wrong?
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Old Yesterday, 08:07 PM
 
Location: SGV
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Short review of the foundation of American law - - -" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
--- Declaration of Independence, 1776
I serve natural law whether I like it or not.

Take your fictional political scribblings and a dime, put them together - that should get you a phone call.
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Old Yesterday, 08:18 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I'm not politically sovereign. I just exist.

I don't pick battles. I just exist.

Which one of us has the philosophy that stands up to the morals and values you claim to embrace: I will never bring a fight to your door. As a pro-Constitution individual (statist) you will eventually bring a fight to my door.

Who is in the wrong?
Who respects your rights and how do you protect that right?
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Old Yesterday, 08:18 PM
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Liberty never changes, it is only taken.
Your rights come from GOD, not man.
I don't believe in god and rights come from who is mighty enough to take them and control them. Sometimes its not for the best interest of the collective sometimes it is.
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Old Yesterday, 08:20 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I serve natural law whether I like it or not.

Take your fictional political scribblings and a dime, put them together - that should get you a phone call.
This nation was founded upon Natural Law, with government instituted to secure those sacred rights, and to adjudicate disputes.
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