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Old Yesterday, 09:29 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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*yawn*

Pure fiction. I never consented and you don't have a higher claim on my life.
If you actually read it, it agrees with you 100%. But please, by all means argue that.
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Old Yesterday, 10:31 PM
 
Location: SGV
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If you actually read it, it agrees with you 100%. But please, by all means argue that.
It has nothing to do with me. It is not a morally and logically binding agreement. Why would I care what it says?
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Old Yesterday, 10:41 PM
 
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It has nothing to do with me. It is not a morally and logically binding agreement. Why would I care what it says?
Sure you consented. You haven't renounced your citizenship and left the country.
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Old Yesterday, 11:59 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It has nothing to do with me. It is not a morally and logically binding agreement. Why would I care what it says?
It gives you a definition, once war is waged upon your person.
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Old Today, 12:02 AM
 
Location: SGV
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Sure you consented. You haven't renounced your citizenship and left the country.
I demand you renounce your enslavement to me, no_recess.

If not, shine my shoes, slave.
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Old Today, 12:03 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Sure you consented. You haven't renounced your citizenship and left the country.
Were you misled to assume that the servant government could impose subject citizenship AT BIRTH upon sovereign people?
You might profit by reading the law, available in any county courthouse law library.




Though millions believe it so, no law imposes citizenship upon an infant in the united States of America.
13th amendment, Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
{United States, in the plural, means the States united aka "USA"}
14th amendment, Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
{The term “thereof” means of the thing just mentioned. So one who is subject to the “United States” for the purposes of U.S. citizenship means the federal government. United States, in the singular, must refer to the Federal government, a foreign corporation with respect to a State.}

Are Americans born under the jurisdiction of the "United States?""We have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of it's own..."
United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

"A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383

FEDERAL CORPORATIONS - The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.
- - - Volume 19, Corpus Juris Secundum XVIII. Foreign Corporations, Sections 883,884

"The United States and the State of California are two separate sovereignties, each dominant in its own sphere."
Redding v. Los Angeles (1947), 81 C.A.2d 888, 185 P.2d 430.
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Old Today, 12:05 AM
 
Location: SGV
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It gives you a definition, once war is waged upon your person.
All governments are at war with me. I stand for natural rights.

I'm a poor minority kid from the impoverished ghetto. You want me to believe the U.S. government has my back?

Brother, it had a funny way of showing it.
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Old Today, 12:09 AM
 
Location: SGV
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
Were you misled to assume that the servant government could impose subject citizenship AT BIRTH upon sovereign people?
You might profit by reading the law, available in any county courthouse law library.




Though millions believe it so, no law imposes citizenship upon an infant in the united States of America.
13th amendment, Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
{United States, in the plural, means the States united aka "USA"}
14th amendment, Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
{The term “thereof” means of the thing just mentioned. So one who is subject to the “United States” for the purposes of U.S. citizenship means the federal government. United States, in the singular, must refer to the Federal government, a foreign corporation with respect to a State.}

Are Americans born under the jurisdiction of the "United States?""We have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of it's own..."
United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

"A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383

FEDERAL CORPORATIONS - The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.
- - - Volume 19, Corpus Juris Secundum XVIII. Foreign Corporations, Sections 883,884

"The United States and the State of California are two separate sovereignties, each dominant in its own sphere."
Redding v. Los Angeles (1947), 81 C.A.2d 888, 185 P.2d 430.
The sovereign citizen is now explaining law to the MAGA.

Statists rejoice! The fantasy world is alive and well.
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Old Today, 12:09 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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All governments are at war with me. I stand for natural rights.

I'm a poor minority kid from the impoverished ghetto. You want me to believe the U.S. government has my back?

Brother, it had a funny way of showing it.

" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
--- Declaration of Independence, 1776


IN SHORT,
The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (taxes, etc).
However, that does not negate the endowed rights of the American people (noncitizens) who did not consent to be governed.
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Old Today, 12:15 AM
 
Location: SGV
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" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
--- Declaration of Independence, 1776


IN SHORT,
The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (taxes, etc).
However, that does not negate the endowed rights of the American people (noncitizens) who did not consent to be governed.
I'm not an American nor am I a citizen.

I just am.

You can repeat this statist fiction over and over again but it has no credence under natural law. Furthermore, I can't legitimately consent to anything with a government agent anyway. The gun to my head is a dead giveaway that I'm under duress.
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