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View Poll Results: can a ne'er-do-well be a good leader?
yes. 20 51.28%
yes, but not Trump 15 38.46%
no. 2 5.13%
other (please explain below). 2 5.13%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-23-2019, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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There is no shortage of ne'er-do-well US presidents. JFK was a sex addict and indifferent student, who finished in the bottom third of his class at Harvard. He dropped out of Stanford MBA school after a semester. His takeaway comment about Stanford U: "the gals are quite attractive...."

LBJ was a true cretin who would conduct staff meetings while he was sitting on the toilet. He also held meetings regularly in the White House swimming pool, where everyone was required to swim nude as that was LBJ's preference. LBJ was tall, and liked to sadistically take staff members to a part of the pool where he could stand with his feet on the pool floor, while shorter staff members would have to tread water while discussing an issue.

Even Ike, now often regarded as a boy scout, had discipline issues at West Point. His main interest was playing football, and he was an inveterate prankster. Then there's Bill Clinton--no comment necessary; Barack Obama, of 'shroom gang' fame; and Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration, whose personal life was often a mess. Reagan admitted to going on a womanizing binge after divorcing his first wife.

If we look back at Old Testament history, we find numerous flawed leaders, who were nonetheless raised up by the good Lord. King David might be the epitome, but there are many others. Jephtath, from the book of Judges (chapters 11-12), was son of a prostitute who became a leader of a kind of youth gang. He wound up as a military leader, and a judge who presided over Israel for six years.

Can a ne'er-do-well nonetheless be an effective or even great leader? What do you think.

 
Old 08-23-2019, 06:14 PM
 
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Why do you need a k̶e̶e̶p̶e̶r̶ leader?
 
Old 08-23-2019, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Why do you need a k̶e̶e̶p̶e̶r̶ leader?
Because utopia doesn’t exist.
To the op, obviously there are examples, so yes.
 
Old 08-23-2019, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Lee County, NC
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Very few people are born leaders, it's usually learned.
 
Old 08-23-2019, 06:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Why do you need a k̶e̶e̶p̶e̶r̶ leader?
Typically societies(even animal societies) have them. Naturally the strongest/smartest hast a following. For present time “strongest/smartest” is not a term id use though..
 
Old 08-23-2019, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Typically societies(even animal societies) have them. Naturally the strongest/smartest hast a following. For present time “strongest/smartest” is not a term id use though..
Take the typical group of 3 or 4 high school friends. One of them is usually going to be regarded as the group leader. Human nature.
 
Old 08-23-2019, 06:26 PM
 
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Why do you need a k̶e̶e̶p̶e̶r̶ leader?
Why did humans evolve as a social species instead of lone hunters?
 
Old 08-23-2019, 06:27 PM
 
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I think neer do well is not an apt description. If a person was a leader then they would by definition not be a neer do well.
 
Old 08-23-2019, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Only a sociopath wants to lead an involuntary collective.

On a personal note, I don't want to be in charge of 80% of the decisions in my personal life and those results directly impact me. I doubt I'd fare much better under the tutelage of a guy in a suit downtown who I never met.

Just a hunch on my part.
 
Old 08-23-2019, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Why did humans evolve as a social species instead of lone hunters?
Voluntary association vs involuntary association.

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