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Old Today, 06:52 AM
 
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OK, big deal.....illegal aliens pay $12 billion in taxes (according to your article). You are ignoring that it costs us nearly $50 billion to educate their children. That alone makes them a net financial drain.
Don't think we spend that much on them. Any credible links?

Should we just let tomatoes go unpicked and cows go unmilked?
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Old Today, 07:03 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Don't think we spend that much on them. Any credible links?

Should we just let tomatoes go unpicked and cows go unmilked?
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigrat...al-immigration

https://www.ajc.com/news/opinion/edu...dowmSvgX9C4TM/


https://www.uscis.gov/working-united...ltural-workers
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Old Today, 07:07 AM
 
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Don't think we spend that much on them. Any credible links?

Should we just let tomatoes go unpicked and cows go unmilked?
You are impossible to debate with. All you did (upthread) was make a big stink about how illegals pitch in $11.6 billion in taxes - and ignored completely how much more than take out in benefits! Estimates are that they pay in $10,000 in taxes a year (including sales tax, local taxes, etc.) but take OUT $25,000. Why are you so intent on defending people with an average 10th grade education, who come here illegally and are "net takers"? All because we need someone to pick tomatoes?

A big reason that Americans "won't do these jobs" (which is arguable in and of itself) is because illegals have driven down the wages so low.

Side question: How can liberals argue for an increase in minimum wage to $15 at the same time they are advocating for the importation of illegals who will do that work, under the table, for a third of that? You have two opposing positions!


https://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost-1/
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Old Today, 07:08 AM
 
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Thanks! You beat me to it by a few minutes....
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Old Today, 07:12 AM
 
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The right hates the truth about all the immigrants working on farms, construction etc.

Much easier to not solve the problem and use it to motivate your base.

Of course, the biggest anti illegal hypocrites are often found in red states.... Just look at the food plant in Mississippi where ICE went after the illegals and didn't did a damn thing to the employers

ICE is the feds. They are not red or blue state. They did the same sort of thing during Obama's time in office.
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Old Today, 07:14 AM
 
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First we supposedly needed black slaves to "mow our lawns" and to displace and not pay for free market American workers. Next it was supposedly needed mass immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe to keep market wages down and displace American workers. Illegal aliens are just the current way to displace and not pay for American workers and also to displace American voters.
Notice how all the discussions about increasing minimum wages never seems to include the illegals.
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Old Today, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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You are impossible to debate with. All you did (upthread) was make a big stink about how illegals pitch in $11.6 billion in taxes - and ignored completely how much more than take out in benefits! Estimates are that they pay in $10,000 in taxes a year (including sales tax, local taxes, etc.) but take OUT $25,000. Why are you so intent on defending people with an average 10th grade education, who come here illegally and are "net takers"? All because we need someone to pick tomatoes?

A big reason that Americans "won't do these jobs" (which is arguable in and of itself) is because illegals have driven down the wages so low.

Side question: How can liberals argue for an increase in minimum wage to $15 at the same time they are advocating for the importation of illegals who will do that work, under the table, for a third of that? You have two opposing positions!


https://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost-1/
I wish I could find illegals who would do my landscaping and other chores around the house for five bucks an hour! Illegals I hire get at least $11 (minimum wage n my state) and usually a good deal more if they have a truck and a sign. Why would they work for less? There is such a serious labor shortage here that most illegals go into better paying positions in the home building industry leaving a real shortage of labor in household services.

As for Americans wanting to work. In what world do you live? In mine, the "Americans" are panhandling at the freeway intersections and soaking up free food and AC at the homeless shelter while the illegals are out at Home Depot looking for work.

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Old Today, 07:16 AM
 
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Don't think we spend that much on them. Any credible links?

Should we just let tomatoes go unpicked and cows go unmilked?

As of 2014 there were 3.9 million kids of illegals in K-12. 39 billion a year since it costs about 10,000 a year to educate one child.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undocu..._United_States


As far as the crops go. Release all the inmates with drug offenses with the stipulation they have to work on a farm or a food processing plant for a year. Problem solved.
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Old Today, 07:19 AM
 
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I wish I could find illegals who would do my landscaping and other chores around the house for five bucks an hour! Illegals I hire get at least $11 (minimum wage n my state) and usually a good deal more if they have a truck and a sign.
Post an ad in southern California.
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Old Today, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Florida
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First we supposedly needed black slaves to "mow our lawns" and to displace and not pay for free market American workers. Next it was supposedly needed mass immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe to keep market wages down and displace American workers. Illegal aliens are just the current way to displace and not pay for American workers and also to displace American voters.
And we know the near future it will be robots and computers taking over. Walmart and Target are experimenting with self checking lanes, and the Chillis by me is experimenting with this computer on each table where you order from that, the cook brings you the meal, and you can pay from that as well. This is sad because waiters/waitresses already make below minimum wage as it is, relying on tips, and it's one of the few jobs students take while working through college.
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