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Old 08-24-2019, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rebeldor View Post

The State has no right to regulate the business practices of private companies.
And the three of you are wrong. You pray at an Altar....of "Big Bosses" and somehow think it's different than praying at the Altar of superstition or of many other "isms".

You simply don't realize that then an economy involved 100's of millions of diverse people there needs to be more than slavery, indentured servitude or "who knows and pays off who" as it was in the past.

Last edited by Oldhag1; 08-24-2019 at 11:26 AM.. Reason: Edited quote
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Old 08-24-2019, 11:12 AM
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Welcome to fascism. Enjoy.
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Old 08-24-2019, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by craigiri View Post
Well, society...to a degree.
Otherwise we'd probably just enslave (hire) people 15 to 32 and then cast them aside.

Or, we'd just hire people that pleased the owners eye...maybe he likes big butts or she likes black dudes.

Those don't seem like hiring practices that are going to get our country in gear.....

I would tend to agree with you in terms of very small businesses where one is hiring a couple people to help them at a very personal level. But millions are in workplaces where this is not the case. Qualifications and merit and the willingness to work should be the driving force there.

Taking your simplistic statement to the ultimate reach....we'd have let all the monopolies thrive (who is too tell a successful owner that they can't own more) and then control the government at various levels and make sure wages and benefits are low and....WAIT...that is what made America terrible again!

So, as with anything else, the answer is somewhere in the middle. If what someone does in the bedroom is between them and themselves and consenting partners, why should that be involved in the hiring process?

Should someone who does Yoga be given demerits if "theBoss" wants it so?
You are conflating consensual sex with rape.

Hiring is not enslaving because hiring is consensual. Nobody forces you to work for someone.

Enslaving is what you advocate consistently over the years: people must do what you want them to do or die.
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Old 08-24-2019, 11:17 AM
Location: The middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by Retroit View Post
Why do people feel the need to invite their employer into their bedroom?
Heterosexuals aren't required to keep their relationships a secret.
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Old 08-24-2019, 11:18 AM
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Except for the guy who pays the bills

And "fairly" is a subjective term.
Of course it is.

The majority have defined it to include the concept of not excluding someone for their innate characteristics.
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Old 08-24-2019, 11:55 AM
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I think it's horrible, BUT, at this rate, Trump will alienate SO many groups that it greatly reduces his chances for re-election.
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Old 08-24-2019, 12:42 PM
Location: Planet earth
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Who other than the owner should determine hiring and firing standards?

Your masters, rulers and owners, the government... that's who.
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dsjj251 View Post
The state does have that right. It says so in the Constitution.

What you mean to say is that YOU dont believe the state should have that right.
Let's say that the state and federal constitutions did prohibit firing someone on the basis of their race, religion, sex, orientation, etc. Their texts would have to be worded with specificity that it would be hard to nearly impossible to let an employer use some legal loophole that the employer could use to justify firing an employee on such grounds.
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by aileesic View Post
Guess I don't understand. Why should being gay matter if they are a good worker with appropriate behavior while on the job?
You and I might not think being gay should matter, but it does matter to some employers. Whatever those reasons are, it takes a law to prohibit discrimination. It took laws to prohibit discrimination based on religion, race, nationality, sex, etc..

Trump is taking the right Legal position. No way, no how was the word 'sex' in the Civil Rights Act intended to cover sexual orientation, gender fluid, gender identity. Courts and administrative agencies are trying to impose non-existent law on employers because states and the Feds haven't moved fast enough, or not at all, to explicitly cover lgbtqa+.
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by notnamed View Post
The employer invited themself when they ask about your dependents, emergency contacts and their relation to you, company parties that invite spouses, etc.
Companies that have health benefits for spouses. Employee will have to put down the name of their spouse. In this case, they will have to "invite their employer into their bedroom".
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