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Old Today, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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...when a progressive PResident gets into office some day -- they will scream louder than those criticizing Trump.
What do you mean "some day?"

There's a progressive President in office right now as we speak.

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It is un-American for a PResident to be so uninformed about the principles of a free Democracy.
There's no such thing as a "free democracy." It's an oxymoron.
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Old Today, 10:24 AM
 
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are you the designated speaker for the working class, PCAL? What are your qualifications to do so? who elected you?

Also, on what educational authority or psychic ability do you know that the outcome of this trade war with china will cause "more pain and suffering for the working class"?
it is very simple. American owning class pushed American working class to the wall where supplies of cheap colonial goods are quintessential for survival. Cheap colonial goods is pretty much the only thing making working class life bearable. Anything endangering the flow of cheap colonial goods will lead to an immediate spike in hardship capsizing many working class boats.
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Old Today, 10:26 AM
 
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What do you mean "some day?"

There's a progressive President in office right now as we speak.



There's no such thing as a "free democracy." It's an oxymoron.
Yeah -- after I typed it I realized it was a ridiculous thing to say -- lol.

But you know what I mean.

Trump doesn't understand that the media coverage isn't about the legality of the President of the USA demanding companies not do business with a country...it's more about the freedom to operate your business, etc.

You knew what I meant...but I still deserved to be called out.
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Old Today, 10:27 AM
 
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I was surprised when I read thru his remarks, I cannot imagine how a company like Walmart feels about this! They are pretty dependent on cheap chinese gooods, as are lots of other companies.


I wouldnt put it past Trump to try to take some kind of action and screw things up royally with the economy in the process, he cannot FORCE US companies NOT to do business with China...but there are a handful of things he can do, which would make it tougher for them.
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Old Today, 10:28 AM
 
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MAGAs are quick to sell out capitalism in the name of "winning." It's what they do and who they are.

Free market > nation
How is equalizing trade policies, which favor the Chinese over American workers, selling out capitalism? Yours might be the dumbest comment on the thread.
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Old Today, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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How is equalizing trade policies, which favor the Chinese over American workers, selling out capitalism? Yours might be the dumbest comment on the thread.
How is State-run and managed trade any way at all compatible with free-market capitalism?

Why is it the duty of the State to favor American workers? Do you know how communist that sounds?

FFS, it's like MAGAs are trying to live out the Communist Manifesto all over again...
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Old Today, 10:36 AM
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Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Trump is totally going off the rails. He now says he will force companies to leave China:



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/24/w...g7-summit.html
One more traditionally republican value that Trump and his enablers have vanquished - the free market. I don't even understand the point of this exercise. If companies are forced out of China, they still are not going to set up shop in the US, instead they'll just outsource everything to some other country that offers cheap labor like Bangladesh or Vietnam.

This move will not create new jobs in the US and will cause the economy to do backflips. MAGA - yeah right.
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Old Today, 10:37 AM
 
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How is equalizing trade policies, which favor the Chinese over American workers, selling out capitalism? Yours might be the dumbest comment on the thread.
What are you talking about? Trump says nothing about leveling pay or working conditions, or environmental laws, etc. It is all about intellectual property rights and other corporate giveaways that if enacted will hit American workers hard by reducing the costs and risks of outsourcing.
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Old Today, 10:37 AM
 
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How is State-run and managed trade any way at all compatible with free-market capitalism?

Why is it the duty of the State to favor American workers? Do you know how communist that sounds?

FFS, it's like MAGAs are trying to live out the Communist Manifesto all over again...
We don't have free market capitalism.
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Old Today, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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We don't have free market capitalism.
Correct.

The US has never once in its history been capitalist.

Capitalism cannot exist within a State.
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