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Old 08-26-2019, 12:58 PM
 
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Can you please explain the bolded wrt the highlighted? Is there a reason that both of those things can be true?
Because it was a "date" and she did a lot of things consensually so she bears partial responsibility for whatever happened, and it's a little murky and not certain if forceful penetration actually did happen just enough for me to let a "guilty" man go. I believe it did, but the fact they were both drunk on a "date" mitigates it.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:02 PM
 
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No. This is appalling. Legally (because some people are too evil to recognize this moral truth) when consent is not given it is assumed to NOT be given.
That's not true. Women never give consent really, they give lack of non-consent. If there is no non-consent given, then it is assumed consent is given. Women always give non-consent when they're not consenting, like the woman in this case did.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:18 PM
 
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No. This is appalling. Legally (because some people are too evil to recognize this moral truth) when consent is not given it is assumed to NOT be given.
I'm starting to lose patience with all of the pretend lawyers out there that are too lazy to even use google to see if their wild guessing might be remotely correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implied_consent
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:19 PM
 
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Because it was a "date" and she did a lot of things consensually so she bears partial responsibility for whatever happened, and it's a little murky and not certain if forceful penetration actually did happen just enough for me to let a "guilty" man go. I believe it did, but the fact they were both drunk on a "date" mitigates it.
Well not being on the jury, I suppose that the absence of jury instruction could account for your ignorance of the legal definition of rape.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:19 PM
 
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That's not true. Women never give consent really, they give lack of non-consent. If there is no non-consent given, then it is assumed consent is given. Women always give non-consent when they're not consenting, like the woman in this case did.
Really? You wrote that with Bill Cosby so fresh in everyones minds?
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:22 PM
 
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I've had consensual sex with women.

Don't recall having to drag them back into the hotel room...

If you are naked and forcefully taken somewhere, that's rape.
under CA's new definition of crimes, she wasn't forcefully taken and raped, she was "vigorously being coerced into non consensual love making "
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:25 PM
 
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Really? You wrote that with Bill Cosby so fresh in everyones minds?
Of course secretly drugging and incapacitating someone is an exception.
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:27 PM
 
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Well not being on the jury, I suppose that the absence of jury instruction could account for your ignorance of the legal definition of rape.
We're talking about the definition of consent. Implied consent can be recognized as consent.
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Old 08-26-2019, 02:25 PM
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Even a Prostitute can say no but I doubt a jury would convict any man for raping a prostitute. This is a $44.00 per night motel room on the out skirts of town. The Jury probably wanted to send a message to women who meet up with men in cheap motels.
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Old 08-26-2019, 02:34 PM
 
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What idiots like this are saying by their actions but not intelligent enough to figure it out is :
" I would like to see this same thing happen to :
1. My Mother
2. My Sister
3. My Cousin
4. My aunt "

In fact not only are they saying they would not mind this same thing happening to their family members they are fostering a culture where it is that much more likely to happen to them .
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