After sexual assault acquittal, video emerges of Mateen Cleaves dragging naked woman into motel room (suspect, Menendez)
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Originally Posted by Mathguy
Neither of us had the benefit of sitting and seeing all of the evidence and testimony.
Considering how quickly the deliberation went, this one wasn't even that hard of a decision.
I for one have some faith that the jurors know a whole lot more than you or I, you're the one basically stating they're wrong but then again, you don't have all the evidence...along with others postulating that the 9 women jurors were just too weak minded and acquitted the guy because his attorney was good looking or other lame reasons.
Takes a lot of hubris to reach such an unyielding opinion vs. TWELVE people that sat and heard testimony and evidence for hours and hours compared to what you read off the internet in 5 minutes.
Remember the Rodney King beating video tape? The question put before jurors was, was for in excess of what was necessary used to arrest him.
Just as in that case, I don't need to know what happened before and after.
I can see it with my own eyes.
I could see that in the Rodney King tape, force in excess of what was necessary was used to arrest him.
And I can watch these videos, and see a young woman trying to get away from a naked man and he keeps dragging her back into the hotel room against her clear wishes.
Remember the Rodney King beating video tape? The question put before jurors was, was for in excess of what was necessary used to arrest him.
Just as in that case, I don't need to know what happened before and after.
I can see it with my own eyes.
I could see that in the Rodney King tape, force in excess of what was necessary was used to arrest him.
And I can watch these videos, and see a young woman trying to get away from a naked man and he keeps dragging her back into the hotel room against her clear wishes.
Yes to all of the above and the witness testimony that she was crying and pleading for help adds to the evidence and discounts his story that Cleaves was “just trying to protect” the naked woman he was dragging back to his room. If he was trying to protect her perhaps he would have said something to the woman who said she was going to call 911. Maybe something along the lines of, “Please do, this woman needs help”. Instead he just dragged her back to his hotel room.
Remember the Rodney King beating video tape? The question put before jurors was, was for in excess of what was necessary used to arrest him.
Just as in that case, I don't need to know what happened before and after.
I can see it with my own eyes.
I could see that in the Rodney King tape, force in excess of what was necessary was used to arrest him.
And I can watch these videos, and see a young woman trying to get away from a naked man and he keeps dragging her back into the hotel room against her clear wishes.
It strains all credibility that whatever happened before or after the video was consensual, let alone what happened during the video.
Neither of us had the benefit of sitting and seeing all of the evidence and testimony.
Considering how quickly the deliberation went, this one wasn't even that hard of a decision.
I for one have some faith that the jurors know a whole lot more than you or I, you're the one basically stating they're wrong but then again, you don't have all the evidence...along with others postulating that the 9 women jurors were just too weak minded and acquitted the guy because his attorney was good looking or other lame reasons.
Takes a lot of hubris to reach such an unyielding opinion vs. TWELVE people that sat and heard testimony and evidence for hours and hours compared to what you read off the internet in 5 minutes.
This is actually something I learned from those who conduct mock jury trials - which are often done prior to the real trial. So, no, not a lame reason at all.
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Yes to all of the above and the witness testimony that she was crying and pleading for help adds to the evidence and discounts his story that Cleaves was “just trying to protect” the naked woman he was dragging back to his room. If he was trying to protect her perhaps he would have said something to the woman who said she was going to call 911. Maybe something along the lines of, “Please do, this woman needs help”. Instead he just dragged her back to his hotel room.
And then there's the fact that after 13 minutes, he had not, in fact, clothed her.
A jury of 12 quickly acquitted a case that had been dismissed by an old white woman judge previously but, hey, we got people on here that just know he is guilty based on a video that the aforementioned judge and jury saw.
And then there's the fact that after 13 minutes, he had not, in fact, clothed her.
A police officer came to the hotel room where the woman denied she had been assaulted.
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