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Old 08-24-2019, 06:31 PM
 
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Question: Is there such thing as a "hate crime"?

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Useless quibbling. A "hate crime" is a designation of crime like any other (such as 1st degree murder vs. manslaughter) which looks at motive to determine sentencing. Motive happens to be a key element of all criminal sentencing. Just like if your wife was killed by accident vs. cold blooded murder, the result is the same for your wife.... but not for the criminal. Also, most of us would have our grief compounded knowing a loved one was victimized on purpose vs. by negligence.


A crime motivated by bias or the selection of a target based on the immutable characteristics of the victim is a "hate crime." It's an aggravating factor the law chooses to assign to the crime. I have no issue with it being used as a designation of crime.


There are, of course, plenty of hate crime hoaxes. But that doesn't mean that bias-motivated crimes and victim selection based on identity don't exist.
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Old 08-24-2019, 06:36 PM
 
Location: SGV
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Useless quibbling. A "hate crime" is a designation of crime like any other (such as 1st degree murder vs. manslaughter) which looks at motive to determine sentencing. Motive happens to be a key element of all criminal sentencing. Just like if your wife was killed by accident vs. cold blooded murder, the result is the same for your wife.... but not for the criminal. Also, most of us would have our grief compounded knowing a loved one was victimized on purpose vs. by negligence.


A crime motivated by bias or the selection of a target based on the immutable characteristics of the victim is a "hate crime." It's an aggravating factor the law chooses to assign to the crime. I have no issue with it being used as a designation of crime.


There are, of course, plenty of hate crime hoaxes. But that doesn't mean that bias-motivated crimes and victim selection based on identity don't exist.
I know what the man made law says.

Bachelors and Masters in Criminal Justice (or make believe if you wish).

I'm talking about real law...natural law.
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Old 08-24-2019, 06:37 PM
 
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All crime is hate. If only all crime was treated equally - but some of it so very well weaved into the culture that no one notices or even cares.
There are violations of rights (crimes) and that's it.
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Old 08-24-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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Why WOULD you blame white supremacy on Fox News?

Only one? Let's be honest here. Black kids have been taught their whole lives that whites are out to get them. It's like when I lived in the South. They STILL talk about Yankees, blah, blah, blah. I was from Ohio and I didn't spend my whole life talking about a war that happened over a hundred years before I was born. We never even thought about it.

confederate flags are not that rare around Ohio, North of Columbus Ohio to boot. If it is not you, somebody else spends time and treasure to reflect on that old war in the ways not sympathetic to the northern cause.
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Old 08-24-2019, 06:58 PM
 
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Prosecute the act, not the emotion. "Hate crime" should not exist in legal lexicon.
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Old 08-24-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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Prosecute the act, not the emotion. "Hate crime" should not exist in legal lexicon.





Nonsensical. Motive/state of mind (mens rea) is a staple of criminal jurisprudence in the common law tradition.



So all murder should be prosecuted the same? 1st degree vs. manslaughter?
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Old 08-24-2019, 07:04 PM
 
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Among the four victims was a 20 yr old white woman hit in the head with a brick. The mainstream media and social media, controlled by Dems, have made their zombies insane and violent.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...o=taboola_feed
Why is this not on the N.Y. Times "Breaking News" whereas a typical "Breaking News" alert is "Breaking News: President Trump said Denmark's prime minister was "nasty" when she rejected his interest in purchasing." (link)
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Old 08-24-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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Useless quibbling. A "hate crime" is a designation of crime like any other (such as 1st degree murder vs. manslaughter) which looks at motive to determine sentencing. Motive happens to be a key element of all criminal sentencing. Just like if your wife was killed by accident vs. cold blooded murder, the result is the same for your wife.... but not for the criminal. Also, most of us would have our grief compounded knowing a loved one was victimized on purpose vs. by negligence.


A crime motivated by bias or the selection of a target based on the immutable characteristics of the victim is a "hate crime." It's an aggravating factor the law chooses to assign to the crime. I have no issue with it being used as a designation of crime.


There are, of course, plenty of hate crime hoaxes. But that doesn't mean that bias-motivated crimes and victim selection based on identity don't exist.
The motive you reference is based on determining the criminality of the action. Are you saying that you are for criminalizing hate by applying varied sentencing for assault, based on how you determined the assailant "felt" towards their victim?
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Nonsensical. Motive/state of mind (mens rea) is a staple of criminal jurisprudence in the common law tradition.



So all murder should be prosecuted the same? 1st degree vs. manslaughter?
No, I did not state that.
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Old 08-24-2019, 07:11 PM
 
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Does this really matter? I mean, somewhere there is probably a white woman calling the cops on a black person for looking at her or something. Much more newsworthy.
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Old 08-24-2019, 07:13 PM
 
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The motive you reference is based on determining the criminality of the action. Are you saying that you are for criminalizing hate by applying varied sentencing for assault, based on how you determined the assailant "felt" towards their victim?



It's just another aggravating factor in sentencing.



It's also not simply, "how one feels about their victim." It's whether the crime itself is motivated by an immutable characteristic of the victim. Was someone targeted specifically because of their race, sex, sexuality, etc.?


Would the crime have happened but-for that bias motivation?






Imagine if you will the plight of white S. African farmers, targeted on account of their race. Not that the racist S. African government ever would, but the government there has a motivation to apply aggravating factors to such crimes where it shows a special need to address such crimes.
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