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Old 08-24-2019, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Antifa are leftists that make Occupy look tame. Antifa, are a militant anti-fascist group. They use online activism as well as protests and even violence against fascist, racist and the far-right. Some are anti-capitalists too. They include anarchists, communists, socialists and even liberals and social Democrats.

I don't fully support them. I think they are equally in the wrong about how we got where we are. Trump and the white supremacists... I mean "white nationalists" are the same but on the otherside but Republicans don't think that they are a terrorist group. I say both Antifa and these white supremacist groups are two sides of the same coin and nobody says boo about it. Both are American terrorist organizations and need to be stopped.

People forget that the left is against the group much like the right is. I guess they aren't as vocal besides the bigger events. I think the right just needs their boogeyman to scare voters into a frenzy to vote...
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Are you incapable of using the search function? If you actually care about truth you will exercise some effort.

I'm not the one trying to prove a point here. You are. So you do the work, not me. Nobody ever changed minds or proved a point by being lazy.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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I'll accept you argument if you also include the Proud Boys. They also want to turn my country into a trash heap. Also, Proud Boys at times does throw the first punch, so there goes a good chunk of your argument.

https://gothamist.com/2018/10/23/pro...aigned_nyc.php

And justice is being served. No complaints here. You go out and start trouble, then trouble will find you, and these guys found it.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:17 PM
 
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I'm not the one trying to prove a point here. You are. So you do the work, not me.
You started a thread., You provided no link. Why should anyone take this thread seriously?
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:18 PM
Status: "Honduras and Guatemala: Capitalism's Venezuela" (set 16 days ago)
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Jeremy Joseph Christian (The Portland Train Attack of 2017) is Antifa?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...im-hate-speech

The Christchurch Shooter is Antifa? The El Paso shooter (inspired by the Christchurch mosque shooter, who in turn saw Trump as a symbol of western resistance - or something along those lines)?

Nope, Nope, and Nope.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...te-supremacism (White Supremacist attacks at home and abroad since 2011 - the Utya island and Oslo attacks, both in Norway).
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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So why treat both groups differently if they are actually from the same cloth? You must admit they both suck.

To be funny here, at least Antifa don't use Tiki Torches.

Both groups are different. Radically so. Neither one are necessary or desirable for America, but they are allowed to exist and express their beliefs. They cross the line when they become violent. As I've said before, I've seen far more cases of Antifa starting a physical fight.

During the last protests in Portland, the police had to constantly stop Antifa from going over to the proud boys side to cause trouble. That's only going by what I have actually seen in videos, so I would like to see real evidence supporting or contradicting what I have personally seen on video. When the proud boys were leaving, there were many videos of Antifa throwing hammers at the buses and kicking in the windows as they were trying to leave. This kind of crap makes their side look like a disorganized and dangerous mob. Their movement is obviously led by a pack of morons with no common sense.

Another thing... Antifa has gotten their lights knocked out so many times that they are constantly bring ever more dangerous weapons to the fight. Pipes and hammers today, maybe guns tomorrow. This crap could easily get out of hand, and it's guaranteed to be bad for everyone affiliated with their "movement".
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Jeremy Joseph Christian (The Portland Train Attack of 2017) is Antifa?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...im-hate-speech

The Christchurch Shooter is Antifa? The El Paso shooter (inspired by the Christchurch mosque shooter, who in turn saw Trump as a symbol of western resistance - or something along those lines)?

Nope, Nope, and Nope.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...te-supremacism (White Supremacist attacks at home and abroad since 2011 - the Utya island and Oslo attacks, both in Norway).

These are lone shooters, and possibly mentally ill. Totally different subject. But if you want to go there, other forum members have been putting up a list of violent leftists that have committed acts of violence. They might drop by if you want to include all the mentally ill and lone gunman types.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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The Proud Boys moment is also led by a pack of morons with no comment sense. So you hate Antifa more than the Proud Boys since you see more Antifa guys starting more fights?

Someone is pretty bias here, and I know it isn't me.
Yes, when you start physically assaulting people, you are crossing a line. Antifa has demonstrated they have no respect for the rights of their fellow citizens, the rights of property owners, and the right to free speech. More often then not, they do seem to be the ones starting the fight in most cases. So Antifa is the greater villain as far as I'm concerned. That does not mean they are somehow the good guys in all of this. Far from it in fact. Neither group benefits this country in any way, except if you like to see violence and destruction in your own nation.

But seriously, why bring up the proud boys when the thread is concerning Antifa? Why is it so difficult for lefties to stay on topic? You do know that two wrongs do not make a right? Or are they not teaching young people that anymore either?
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Anti fa wouldn't exist without the reprehensible Nazis, fascists and white supremacists who provoke them to begin with
Communists are even worse than Nazis and fascists.
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Old 08-24-2019, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Antifa is about as big a threat to America as "white Supremacists" and the KKK, or whatever "scare the minorities" meme the left is pushing to convince brown people that they are under constant threat and attack from scary white people in America today.
The more extreme the political wing, whether left or right, the more alike they become. Hate isn't the answer -- it just leads to more hate.
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