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Old 08-25-2019, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Get back with us when you have an infantry MOS.

Nothing worse than someone spouting off about military matters based on what they see in the movies.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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The Army was willing to bury the whole thing when they discharged him rather than court martialing him but then when he bragged about the murder, on TV no less, he pretty much forced the Army to do something because now they looked like they were covering up something. He should have kept his yap shut. I thought there was some sort of code of silence with these guys - what happens in the field stays in the field. This whole mess is of his own doing.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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That isn't what happened.

He intercepted the victim on release without orders to do so.

He shot him, buried him, then dug him up and burned his corpse in a refuse pit

This wasn't a "Oopsie we shot a kid" bursting through the door of a bomb suspects house, and people getting sentimental at HQ.

He put himself in this situation, and second guessed his chain of command by pursuing a suspect who was released to Afghan security.

His first hearing stripped his Silver Star and SF ribbon, and he was discharged. So while he wasn't found guilty at that time of murder he was hardly exonerated. Then he flapped his gums during an interview with the CIA about killing an unarmed man released from Afghan Security...

So don't go mistaking this as an "In the Field" incident, it wasn't, and let's be honest if it was a good kill why bury him? Why dig him up and burn his corpse? Nope, I'm thinkin' he got his panties in a bunch because they released him, and, I'll betcha dollars to donuts the guy was a CIA informant.
Excellent points and the OP's point that his behavior in anyway amounts to "having their hands tied behind their backs" doesn't jive with reality. This constant opinion that every soldier on trial is being railroaded is far from the truth, the facts in this case indicate that they were lenient with this soldier the first time around. Instead of celebrating getting away with what was essentially murder he had to open his mouth.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Get back with us when you have an infantry MOS.

Nothing worse than someone spouting off about military matters based on what they see in the movies.
Such as Trump intervening in military court proceedings.


signed 11B20
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:42 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Excellent points and the OP's point that his behavior in anyway amounts to "having their hands tied behind their backs" doesn't jive with reality. This constant opinion that every soldier on trial is being railroaded is far from the truth, the facts in this case indicate that they were lenient with this soldier the first time around. Instead of celebrating getting away with what was essentially murder he had to open his mouth.
Do the sponsors of the September 11 attack get such treatment by what passes for their "governments"?
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Old 08-25-2019, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Do the sponsors of the September 11 attack get such treatment by what passes for their "governments"?
That has nothing to do with this, but at least this soldier got a trial, more than I can say for some of the Guantanamo detainees that have been in prison for 15 years without a trial.
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Old 08-25-2019, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Do the sponsors of the September 11 attack get such treatment by what passes for their "governments"?
Are you implying the US Military should become a Terrorist Organization?

The SPONSORS of 9/11 weren't even Afghanistan, nor Iraq, but Saudi. If you want retribution it might help if you petition to strike the right target.
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Old 08-25-2019, 07:16 AM
 
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Green Beret accused of killing suspected Taliban bomb maker facing 'agonizing' wait for trial, wife says

This is an example of the U.S. fights its wars with both hands tied behind its back. Many lives may have been saved, and yet the powers that be, in Obama-era 2010 feel the need to appear righteous before the world. Make no mistake; the Taliban are the same animals that plowed planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Are Afghani authorities trying anyone for that mass, cold-blooded murder? Yet we are making dainty distinctions to persecute a hero.

Sickening.

Prosecuting a soldier for a killing in a war is like giving speeding tickets out at Le Mans.
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Old 08-25-2019, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Prosecuting a soldier for a killing in a war is like giving speeding tickets out at Le Mans.
Well using that logic they never should have never prosecuted anyone for the murders at My Lai.
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Old 08-25-2019, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Prosecuting a soldier for a killing in a war is like giving speeding tickets out at Le Mans.
Sure it is, that's why no one was convicted at Nuremberg or Tokyo. Oh, wait...

Indiscriminate killing is not soldiers work, and as a former infantry soldier I get very offended by people suggesting it should be. Anyone can be an undisciplined killer, just look at Adam Lanza, James Holmes, Patrick Crusius, etc. etc. Not everyone can be a soldier however.
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